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Spacedog79 says...

Dear libertarians,

Please stop using the internet, it is a government conspiracy to make you think that mass telecommunication is only made possible using infrastructure provided by the state.

Thanks.

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VoodooV says...

Gov't is demonstrably false? Last I checked, there are a lot of independently verified gov'ts out there. LOL!

You know what is demonstrably false? Anarchists independent from the gov't they claim to hate. Every one of these youtube crusaders are comfortably enjoying the perks of a system they despise.

You want to impress me? Go find an island somewhere and show us how awesome non-statism is.

Even Ayn Rand took gov't assistance.

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ChaosEngine says...

Can't stand CultOfDusty.

So we have one asshole screaming at another asshole. I watched about 36 seconds and remembered I have better things to do with my life.

If you're going to make an argument, don't start out from the premise that everyone already agrees with you.

edit: Ordinarily I'd downvote this utter bollocks, but if I was going to do that, I'd have to give it the courtesy of watching the whole thing first and this has done nothing to convince me it's worth my time.

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newtboy jokingly says...

Could...but don't. With the exception of 'toll roads', which usually use public funds and always use public services to build...so nevermind, not toll roads either.
So please, stop leaching off us 'statists' and quit using our roads, firemen, police, electricity, water, and internet. Once you've done all that, and moved to your utopian island community in Alaska I'll start listening to you again....Oh, but you won't be on the internet or have access to phones or the mail, so....

blankfist said:

@VoodooV: "Every one of these youtube crusaders are comfortably enjoying the perks of a system they despise."

What perks? Like roads and firemen? You know, it's not like we couldn't have those things without government.

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VoodooV says...

Wow. I actually did make it through the whole thing The whole thing is infested with logical fallacies: false equivalencies, ad homs, strawmen, and even a no true scotsman thrown in for shits and giggles.

And that ignoring the standard problem with the Libertarian\Anarchist viewpoint where they spend all this time criticizing the problems of gov't and NEVER ONCE demonstrate how it would work without these systems.

And this idiot's answer to the education system is to just point everyone to Google?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

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newtboy jokingly says...

I bow to your superior knowledge.

I never watched Adventure Time...so I never would have gotten that....I also don't watch Bob's burgers, which is likely why I could make that mistake.
I can't believe that's supposed to be South Park!
I also have never watched Archer, but good eye.
And excellent memory, remembering the French animator's name.

ChaosEngine said:

I think @newtboy is close, but a few changes:
Ghosts are Tracy Ullman

First at the door is Pixar (clue is John Ratzenbergers voice)

Then anime (anime Marge looks awesome!)

I don't think the next are Bobs Burgers. There's some kids cartoon with a boy with a white hood and a girl with bunny ears but I don't know the name.

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Archer (also awesome)

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Sagemind says...

Personal information is still personal.
There isn't a new or separate set of rules, this is true with almost anyone with any set of information that is personal.
It's called common courtesy.

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ChaosEngine says...

I think @newtboy is close, but a few changes:
Ghosts are Tracy Ullman

First at the door is Pixar (clue is John Ratzenbergers voice)

Then anime (anime Marge looks awesome!)

I don't think the next are Bobs Burgers. There's some kids cartoon with a boy with a white hood and a girl with bunny ears but I don't know the name.

South Park

Archer (also awesome)

Sylvain Chomet

Lego

Despicable Me

Animals

eric3579 said:

Anyone know what the different characters are from?

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ChaosEngine says...

"This drug that stops us from dying of a pretty horrific disease has some pretty awful side effects, some of which include lowering our immune system which actually makes us more susceptible to the disease."

Sane person: wow, that's pretty crap. We need to fix that drug so that it no longer encourages the disease.

Libertarian: We need more disease!

blankfist said:

Also, I'm not sure if the two of you were asleep when he mentioned that corporations are fictitious entities given legitimacy by the government, and shields the rich from liability? That didn't happen because of unregulated markets.

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VoodooV says...

@blankfist

"Also, you and Voodoo should spend some time making substantive points instead of emotional arguments. "

I'm not the one who just posted a video about a guy who was unable to demonstrate his point rationally and had more than a couple meltdowns where he attacked the other guy with an ever raising voice and emotionally charged insults. Which is funny because he's responding to another video. It's not like the guy was there, yet he got so unhinged.

so you're nitpicking that I didn't detail each specific logical fallacy? the summary wasn't enough? If you honestly want to know, say so and I'll review the video again and point them out. But I don't think you really care. Once again, you're criticizing the existing system when you SHOULD be demonstrating how a non-statist system (or lack of a system as it were) would be better...but you arent...so it just leads me to believe that you latched on my lack of details on the fallacies as a distraction mechanism. so really who's being emotional here hrm?

but wait, you criticize my lack of detail, but when asked to demonstrate an anarchist worldview in action and how it's better than a statist one...suddenly you can't provide details...interesting the hypocrisy there

try again though.

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newtboy says...

Yes, I do. I WAS libertarian before the Teabaggers insanity infected them and they became the party of NO government.

The truth is you completely ignored my point to make another point. how about address my point first, then I'll show you the folly of your next points.

Oh no, I head him, but like most of what he had to say, I found it was ridiculous drivel.
The owners of corporations may derive some legal shielding thanks to their relationship with government and/or the law regarding who/what is legally responsible for who/what's actions, they are not creations of it in the way he insists. You seem to think that, without the legal shield owners are 'granted' by the law (and without law/government interfering) corporations wouldn't exist, or at least couldn't break the law with impunity...but you forget that to get there you removed the law/regulation/government, so who exactly is going to enforce this non existent law/regulation against the, now legally culpable, owners of corporations?

blankfist said:

@newtboy: He's just plain idiotic. I'll bet many of his "points" come straight from Faux News...I'm pretty sure I've heard some of this insanity before.

Fox News? Really? You don't understand libertarianism at all, do you? Also, you and Voodoo should spend some time making substantive points instead of emotional arguments.

I always wonder how these people ignore the fact that, if their theory about 'self regulating business' was true, it would work that way now. It's because industries repeatedly and consistently DIDN'T regulate themselves and thrived on the public ignorance of their actions that regulations were enacted in the first place. DUH.

Again, more appeals to emotion. That aside, I've heard this argument often from statists. The truth is they tend to forget things like regulatory capture and the sheer number of regulations on the books that create barriers to industry for those without significant capital to compete. These are all unfair advantages the government gives the rich and connected.

Also, I'm not sure if the two of you were asleep when he mentioned that corporations are fictitious entities given legitimacy by the government, and shields the rich from liability? That didn't happen because of unregulated markets.

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