The most sobering part is that some people in the world will think this is brilliant.

I hate those people.

Now that I'm sober, I'm thinking this might be a tad *nsfw.

>> ^marinara:
huh! purple prose. I learn something every day.
saying that republicans want to destroy the USA. rash and hysterical. don't need any crazy in political discussions.
why didn't he say they just don't care,
http://www.salon.com/news/david_sirota/2011/07/13/great_recession_elitism_slideshow/slideshow.html?slide=1
they 'know' that whatever happens, they'll still be millionaires or better.
That's a sober statement, and close to a fact.


Meh. Wanting to destroy and destroying are close to the same thing--and exactly the same outcome. Also, motives that are shady make it even closer.

That aside, it should be called, "Rapeanomics."

Just saying--because we need more hyperbole

huh! purple prose. I learn something every day.

saying that republicans want to destroy the USA. rash and hysterical. don't need any crazy in political discussions.

why didn't he say they just don't care,
http://www.salon.com/news/david_sirota/2011/07/13/great_recession_elitism_slideshow/slideshow.html?slide=1
they 'know' that whatever happens, they'll still be millionaires or better.

That's a sober statement, and close to a fact.

That!... Is going to hurt when he sobers up

>> ^Porksandwich:

I guess my issue with telling people they should try everything in life is that there is the potential for people do so with no other reason than because someone told them they should or they are "missing out". I agree it's their choice to do so, but it's going to happen in an irresponsible way when anything they try is illegal, unsafe, or socially unaccepted whether it be drug or activity.
In my opinion it's why we end up with a lot of adults who are unable to cope with life sober, they get into "something" in their teens and learn to function in society while going on their highs and lows along with all the stuff everyone else has to learn to cope with. They just simply never learn to balance themselves. Now if we tell people who've got a relatively stable life with the ability to put things in perspective, they COULD experiment with drugs or other activities.....presumably they would have people who could tell them they are fucking their life up over a powder, pill, or plant.
My experience so far with older adults who smoke weed and don't really hide it is that they can deal with it, they do it in the privacy of their own home and they don't spend their time trying to talk people into joining them or convincing others. However if their kids start using, they usually start early and in secret and I haven't met one yet that didn't constantly talk about smoking: when they last did, when they will next do it, how much, how you should join them, how one kind strain is better, etc, etc. They may not abuse it, but they sure sound like they would if they could keep enough money in their pockets to do so.
So.......as long as it's "for the experience of it" very infrequently and not because they never learned to function without it. Personally I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, etc....and I don't really care if other people do (well except for smoking, can't stand when people smoke near me or smell like an ashtray) but you never know when people are moderate and balanced in their usage of most things.
I mean honestly unless a kid has someone older showing them quantities and how to cope......it's basically like encouraging them to skydive when they can't afford the equipment and training to actually walk away unharmed. People are pretty fucking stupid when they want to "be cool" and fit in.

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^mxxcon:
i guess after smoking that shit every time they kept finding their windows broken and couldn't figure out how it happened so they decided to record their "Adventures"
On a serious note, they are fucking idiots for taking these drugs
and equally fucking idiots for posting it on the internet.
This is as good EIA as
any.

I'm sorry, but i have to take this up. You are not necessarily an idiot for trying a drug. It's all a matter of opinion, but mine is that you're pretty closeted if you don't ever try a drug - or rather if you pour scorn on someone and label them as an idiot for trying one. If you don't want to try them, fine. You've got say 85 years on this earth, give or take, and i recommend you try and find any kind of meaning, experience everything you can, try everything before you're asked to leave because what the hell is the point in being alive if you don't do anything? We didn't get to be the top of the food chain by not experimenting with stuff.
This guy approached a drug which plays with what you percieve as reality. He went about it in a stupid way. He is not stupid for trying the drug.
I ask only one thing of people in relation to their opinions on drugs - express your desire not to take them, express your reasons why you don't want to take them, but for goodness sake don't judge something you haven't tried.



But that's all good man - you expressed your desire not to try it, you've expressed why, but you didn't judge any drug which you haven't tried.

Counter to your experience, i knew a guy who started smoking weed at 14, 15 ish. His mum told him - fine, do it in the house where i can make sure you're ok. So he did with his close friends, and they had a great time, were grateful for the ability to do it in a warm comfortable place, and were delivered muffins and cakes from time to time because his mum was a great cook and gave her a chance to make sure everything was fine. They didn't talk about it all the time, they didn't overdo it, and he's a fireman now. Oh, and we eventually found out that his mum smoked it too. Their house was great, a proper home, proper family.

I suffered hard with depression in the past, and if i hadn't tried weed when i was 17, perhaps i might not be around today, you know? It took the horrible bottomless pit away from under me and showed me that perhaps life isn't all misery, it was no permanent cure but it showed me that i didn't always have to feel down. And that didn't lead to further use, because it was enough to feel good for the rest of the day, my one good day in a thousand bad ones.

I think we simply disagree philosophically, or something. I think people should - within the realms of reason - try things for the hell of it. I don't think drugs are irresponsible merely by dint of being illegal. I think people should question what the government tells us we can put in our bodies. Because i think if people did put some weed in their bodies regularly, they might just realise how supercilious we are when we take material wealth and work to be of utmost important to us. That might be dangerous for the government, because people might decide not to spend the majority if their lives doing something they despise, and actually start reaching out, trying for something better - taking a chance.

Remember, it's all very easy for someone to tell you the bad sides of things, because they're much publicised and fear mongering is a cinch. Governments want bad drug rumours to be spread, and they like bad emotional baggage to be attached to the word "drugs". Numerous propaganda attempts in the past surely show us that they've got some agenda. And it'd be very easy for people to say "LOL, if people stopped 'doing what they despise', the world would collapse and we'd have no food, no electricity, etc. etc!" But it ain't necessarily so. People do it already. There's alternatives, in my opinion better alternatives, but for a world like that we might all NEED to reach the higher level of relaxedness associated with weed

And finally - how's amsterdam doing? Because last i heard it's a fking great place to live. Better than where i live even if it's half as good as the last time i heard, and we prohibit drugs.

I guess my issue with telling people they should try everything in life is that there is the potential for people do so with no other reason than because someone told them they should or they are "missing out". I agree it's their choice to do so, but it's going to happen in an irresponsible way when anything they try is illegal, unsafe, or socially unaccepted whether it be drug or activity.

In my opinion it's why we end up with a lot of adults who are unable to cope with life sober, they get into "something" in their teens and learn to function in society while going on their highs and lows along with all the stuff everyone else has to learn to cope with. They just simply never learn to balance themselves. Now if we tell people who've got a relatively stable life with the ability to put things in perspective, they COULD experiment with drugs or other activities.....presumably they would have people who could tell them they are fucking their life up over a powder, pill, or plant.

My experience so far with older adults who smoke weed and don't really hide it is that they can deal with it, they do it in the privacy of their own home and they don't spend their time trying to talk people into joining them or convincing others. However if their kids start using, they usually start early and in secret and I haven't met one yet that didn't constantly talk about smoking: when they last did, when they will next do it, how much, how you should join them, how one kind strain is better, etc, etc. They may not abuse it, but they sure sound like they would if they could keep enough money in their pockets to do so.

So.......as long as it's "for the experience of it" very infrequently and not because they never learned to function without it. Personally I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, etc....and I don't really care if other people do (well except for smoking, can't stand when people smoke near me or smell like an ashtray) but you never know when people are moderate and balanced in their usage of most things.

I mean honestly unless a kid has someone older showing them quantities and how to cope......it's basically like encouraging them to skydive when they can't afford the equipment and training to actually walk away unharmed. People are pretty fucking stupid when they want to "be cool" and fit in.


>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^mxxcon:
i guess after smoking that shit every time they kept finding their windows broken and couldn't figure out how it happened so they decided to record their "Adventures"
On a serious note, they are fucking idiots for taking these drugs
and equally fucking idiots for posting it on the internet.
This is as good EIA as
any.

I'm sorry, but i have to take this up. You are not necessarily an idiot for trying a drug. It's all a matter of opinion, but mine is that you're pretty closeted if you don't ever try a drug - or rather if you pour scorn on someone and label them as an idiot for trying one. If you don't want to try them, fine. You've got say 85 years on this earth, give or take, and i recommend you try and find any kind of meaning, experience everything you can, try everything before you're asked to leave because what the hell is the point in being alive if you don't do anything? We didn't get to be the top of the food chain by not experimenting with stuff.
This guy approached a drug which plays with what you percieve as reality. He went about it in a stupid way. He is not stupid for trying the drug.
I ask only one thing of people in relation to their opinions on drugs - express your desire not to take them, express your reasons why you don't want to take them, but for goodness sake don't judge something you haven't tried.

>> ^mindbrain:

No sitter, fail.


mindbrain has it right.
Fake or not, the behavior depicted is completely in the realm of possibility, and totally irresponsible.
There were two people in the room. One should have been sober and watching the other.

You don't try to land the space shuttle if you are drunk. You let someone else take care of that while you contemplate the view.
..and yes, taking Salvia in a room that hasn't been properly prepped, without a sitter, can be like trying to land the space shuttle while drunk.

>> ^smooman:

im curious to hear her laugh sober. I know when im high my laugh is distinctly different (and magnitudes more absurd)


I laugh like i laughed when i was a kid. Times which i miss. I think we could all benefit from laughing like we were kids.

im curious to hear her laugh sober. I know when im high my laugh is distinctly different (and magnitudes more absurd)

Whatever this is, it's not Christianity. This is a perverse display of unbalanced testimony and emotional manipulation. Worship is supposed to be sober and peaceful, as well as joyous and uplifting. This is none of those.

Calling a bunch of people out for a particular sin is just ridiculous. As if one sin is much different than the other. I bet there were a lot more adulters there than homosexuals. It's just not going to help anyone..if anything it is going to reinforce the idea that they are "different". Not only that but we are told to confess our sins before God and not men. This pastor has something wrong with him.

Spiritually, this service is polluted. I think though that should be clear to anyone. This doesn't represent Christianity at all, and it's unfortunate that anyone would think it does.

Something else to note..it's very interesting that the sift will upvote anything that makes Christianity look bad, even though most of you clearly hated this video. Yet, when something is posted with agrees with Christianity, the sift can't wait to get rid of it. Biased much?

>> ^cosmovitelli:
>> ^kceaton1:
Why is Ted Nugent's brother a pastor?

No that's shinyblurry at his day job..

@Lawdeedaw I just like to mention my colossal wiener.

Regarding snuff, in the history of the sift, we've always done it on a case by case basis, which I do feel is the optimal way. Endless rules lawyering would be much worse than a relaxed approach like we have. Some times that means we have to let the poor admins get in there, and other times the community handles it for itself. It's not about persecuting anyone - but you know that - it's about trying to keep videosift sober and honorable (you know, as much as we can be).

Videosift shouldn't be a central for death videos or porn for that matter, that would diminish what we are. On the other hand, we should not shy away from it on the grounds that it's "dirty" or whatever. We want to keep the sift a reasonably respectable place to be, while having some things for everyone.

When a cop misuses his power and an innocent is killed that's newsworthy, because it's not supposed to be like that - cops should be trusted, so when that trust is breached it's important that people know that it happen, so the police are accountable.

Seeing a random crazy person shoot someone until they are unrecognizable is less newsworthy because that's what crazy people do. In that case, it's not really necessary to know how he went crazy and emptied his weapon in someones face, it's quite sufficient to know that he did it. It is a terrible event, certainly, and in that light someone might want to see it, but, for me at least, I can't justify it to myself to willingly let it stay. We have removed things as snuff for less before, and in the end I think that's probably a good thing. Videosift should not become snuff central (or porn for that matter), but if there is sufficient reason that something that would otherwise fall into that category should be sifted, then you should try it and justify it either in the description or in a comment - if someone disagrees enough with you, or more do, then it will be discussed and decided on. If you feel that it shouldn't go they way it did, then you can appeal to us all in a talk post like this - it's all good. We're just people, we all want what we think is best, so speak your peace, sway some minds, or fight the power.

It's not videosift and its principles vs. the world, or vs. lawdeedaw, or vs mediocrity. We are the sift, the sift are its users. For better or worse.

The guidelines/rules are there as directions - it's about the spirit of the rules, not the letter. The more it is narrowed down, the more will slip by that's undesirable.

The video was a great platform or starting point to talk about the 2nd amendment, I think, but while the video itself should probably not be sifted - you are welcome to make a talk post and embed the video there with the goal of, for instance, discussing that.

I'm rambling because it's late. I've already said too much.

Colossal wiener.

kumquat

In reply to this comment by GenjiKilpatrick:
Hah. You mean this cop out?

"It's okay to vertically body slam a happy sober man into concrete, but goddamnit it is NEVER acceptable to horizontally body slam a sad drunk woman into concrete!"

You're clearly full of shit old lady.

And another prime example of how we humans compartmentalize the most awful shit in order to justify our indefensible positions.

..santorum stain..

>> ^bareboards2:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/MaxWilder" title="member since November 7th, 2007" class="profilelink">MaxWilder, the fact that she ended up bleeding and disoriented, with chipped teeth, and the cop retired rather than being fired makes this different from a vid where young men are bellowing loudly and healthily as standard take-down procedures are used.
Slamming anyone into a concrete wall is not standard takedown procedure.
Thanks for asking a coherent question without ascribing meanings and intentions I don't hold.
Nooky for you, young man, nooky for you!

Hah. You mean this cop out?

"It's okay to vertically body slam a happy sober man into concrete, but goddamnit it is NEVER acceptable to horizontally body slam a sad drunk woman into concrete!"

You're clearly full of shit old lady.

And another prime example of how we humans compartmentalize the most awful shit in order to justify our indefensible positions.

..santorum stain..

>> ^Gallowflak:

She talks like a drunk pretending to be sober. Wandering aimlessly through incoherent ideas, just barely managing to ejaculate a sentence that sort of connects where it starts to where it ends. Really, just... GTFO. Please.


You put the nail on the head right there. I always thought nobody could ramble through a sentence as bad as Bush. Oh how so wrong I was.

And QM I'm starting to think your not a real person at all. Just some algorithm thought up by conservatives to go around the internet and spew some random shit that sounds half intelligible when ever you happen upon a discussion or video where a popular republican is the topic of discussion.