Snuff versus non-snuff
What makes snuff snuff and not snuff not snuff? It seems to me that the process is 100% arbitrary and therefore 50% biased. I ask, because I posted a video in response to all the people who seemingly hate cops. I am not mad that my video was deemed snuff. In fact, I should not have gotten into the dick-bigger-than-yours game and for that I lowered my own standards. For that I apologize. To be clear, my video was snuff.
To those who had respectful additions to that discourse, thank you. And to the one who lessened the loss of human life, lessened the systematic execution of a man, regardless of badge, I can't say I was shocked. Sadened, but not shocked.
First, here are videos I would say are 100% cases of snuff. That doesn't mean they are snuff, just that they depict the loss of life, and that they fail to meet anywhere near the FAQ portion in the videos.
http://videosift.com/video/Seattle-cop-kills-nonthreatining-pedestrian
^Nothing redeeming about that one. Is it not snuff because it got 109 votes? There's no discussion here at all and that's something that Lucky760 noted was kind of required. To paraphrase, "Furthermore, there is no discussion or debate to be had; the video just says "watch this guy murder..."
http://videosift.com/video/Police-shoot-unarmed-man-laying-face-down-in-the-back
^The defense for this is that it is "a newsworthy event." Unfortunately, the critera is that it must be an "informative news report." This was not. The victim was the "peacemaker?" News to me *rolls eyes* What, cops abuse power? News to me *rolls eyes* What? A lawsuit?... To me this is snuff, albeit popular snuff, but snuff nevertheless.
It also isn't really something that adds to debates/dicussions. Pretty much everybody either said, "Cop was a murderer," or "Cop was a dumbass." Nothing really added.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122959171
^The video in question that I posted was, if you want the outside link,
Like I said, my video was snuff, regardless of how informative it might have been and, in hindsight, regardless of if it fell into the guidelines of the FAQ; but then too are the others. Some sifters noted that the screams made my video snuff, but again, whether the man was shot without noise or with, I don't think he cares. Does it make a difference to the guy lying on his back when a bullet tears through his spine, or splits open his head? Or the woodcutter as he smashes into the ground face first? I doubt it. And it doesn't make a difference in the other videos either.
(What you don't know is that the officer was admonished (A subtle threat) for pulling his weapon to defend himself in a previous incident just a few days ago. And, I can't say I blame him for being timid--he had to provide for an 18 month old daughter and a wife. Since he had already been threatened about force his hands were pretty hobbled--and that, despite what people say, is not what cops "sign up for.")
Sorry all, this discussion is mostly to blow off steam and note my opinion. Thanks for suggesting this format Sagemind--it has helped.
I must note that this post is definitely not to get my video back up (Hell, I didn't even want the votes, I just wanted to point out hypocrisy at it's finest.) And I definitely am not gainsaying the rules--they are what they are and everyone must respect them. Ironic huh? Even when the rules are against me, I still advocate for them... But at the same time, I don't like one side or the other hobbled in a discourse... Yet, that is life, and I have experienced far worse.
Everyone with a respectful opinion--thanks and I apologize for that post.
To those who had respectful additions to that discourse, thank you. And to the one who lessened the loss of human life, lessened the systematic execution of a man, regardless of badge, I can't say I was shocked. Sadened, but not shocked.
First, here are videos I would say are 100% cases of snuff. That doesn't mean they are snuff, just that they depict the loss of life, and that they fail to meet anywhere near the FAQ portion in the videos.
http://videosift.com/video/Seattle-cop-kills-nonthreatining-pedestrian
^Nothing redeeming about that one. Is it not snuff because it got 109 votes? There's no discussion here at all and that's something that Lucky760 noted was kind of required. To paraphrase, "Furthermore, there is no discussion or debate to be had; the video just says "watch this guy murder..."
http://videosift.com/video/Police-shoot-unarmed-man-laying-face-down-in-the-back
^The defense for this is that it is "a newsworthy event." Unfortunately, the critera is that it must be an "informative news report." This was not. The victim was the "peacemaker?" News to me *rolls eyes* What, cops abuse power? News to me *rolls eyes* What? A lawsuit?... To me this is snuff, albeit popular snuff, but snuff nevertheless.
It also isn't really something that adds to debates/dicussions. Pretty much everybody either said, "Cop was a murderer," or "Cop was a dumbass." Nothing really added.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122959171
^The video in question that I posted was, if you want the outside link,
Like I said, my video was snuff, regardless of how informative it might have been and, in hindsight, regardless of if it fell into the guidelines of the FAQ; but then too are the others. Some sifters noted that the screams made my video snuff, but again, whether the man was shot without noise or with, I don't think he cares. Does it make a difference to the guy lying on his back when a bullet tears through his spine, or splits open his head? Or the woodcutter as he smashes into the ground face first? I doubt it. And it doesn't make a difference in the other videos either.
(What you don't know is that the officer was admonished (A subtle threat) for pulling his weapon to defend himself in a previous incident just a few days ago. And, I can't say I blame him for being timid--he had to provide for an 18 month old daughter and a wife. Since he had already been threatened about force his hands were pretty hobbled--and that, despite what people say, is not what cops "sign up for.")
Sorry all, this discussion is mostly to blow off steam and note my opinion. Thanks for suggesting this format Sagemind--it has helped.
I must note that this post is definitely not to get my video back up (Hell, I didn't even want the votes, I just wanted to point out hypocrisy at it's finest.) And I definitely am not gainsaying the rules--they are what they are and everyone must respect them. Ironic huh? Even when the rules are against me, I still advocate for them... But at the same time, I don't like one side or the other hobbled in a discourse... Yet, that is life, and I have experienced far worse.
Everyone with a respectful opinion--thanks and I apologize for that post.
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