Why would anyone go on the Graham Norton show sober?

Let me just say that seeing No Doubt under the ganja cloud is WAY better than seeing them sober.

You misunderstand the motivation for the language of stereotype used to describe the general dynamics of alcohol in Great Britain, i.e., a pub at every intersection-Hey man, alcohols' the last legal drug here in the states as well for the same reason: Governments and international criminals (same same, but different, as they say in Thailand) control the drug trade around the world. They limit which drugs may be manufactured or sold. They make incredible amounts of money doing so.

Governments and international criminals also corner the market on guns and artillery and ammunition and do their best to control the distribution and manufacture to insure one thing: Control and centralization of power.

We're not suggesting Brits are more prone to drunkenness and brawling than the same sort of tits in the U.S. I am simply suggesting sane remedies that do not involve baby-out-with-bathwater solutions to some seriously flawed fundamentals: societal and cultural evolution should be determined by sober consensus without emotion instead of this bullshit, "But what about the children?!" line of reasoning promulgated by criminals in power...A line that is trumpeted by so-called representatives and used as a tool (kind of like a gun is a tool) along with the complicit and effective tool of propaganda called market television, or major media, or whatever label for abject disinformation and agenda-pumping that benefits a few that some people who see owning guns as horrifying, have bought into.

The way to keep your children safe form psychopaths is to reinvent society and gradually change culture in a direction that heals the planet instead of raping it. Less fucking insane parents mean less fucking insane kids. Fuck licensing firearms, how about licensing parents before they plop out another?

How do you cure a country like North Korea, whose people for a few generations have been systematically trained in totalitarian shit-think?? It's a job no one wants to think about. As long as planetary ass-rape is the direction we are headed, guns guns guns my easily-insulted brother, and less shit-think. I'm not a fucking idiot, but my government is being run into the ground by cunts and assholes and douchebags who have most of the control over most of the guns and drugs! See how simple it is??

Guns violence by a FEW + International media coverage with a view to convincing people that guns (OF ANY KIND OR CAPACITY) are the problem = what should be an insult to your intelligence at the very least, and a goddamn warning shot across the bow that World Police State is what the cunts really want for humanity.

Gun control happens shortly after a gun is manufactured, unless you want to accidentally hurt yourself or another utilizing another kind of control. Self-Control maybe??

how long is he clean and sober?

I had two kinds of experiences with this stuff. One is a incredible laughing hysteria (like seen here), where I didn't know why I was laughing after about 30 seconds into the experience. The second would be change of gravity, opening my mind and thoughts, having conversations with the universe, shortly after that realizing I was talking with my Television for 2 minutes... The worst thing was that it talked back, so I thought.

To adress the first few posts. It's not a hard drug, there is no case of salvia junkies or such, you can literally buy this stuff legal... since ever. But I wouldn't recommend anyone who isn't strong minded and in the right mental state at the time of consumption. Salvinorin A is the strongest hallucinogen we know of, although it lasts only 5 minutes. And if you try something like that always have somebody with you who is sober. You will thank him later, while he will hate you a little bit for the shit you did.

That sounds logical.

...at least it did before I sobered up.

Coffee and beer are probably what has saved me from suffering the curse of kidney stones the males in my clan have dealt with all sober and following doctor's ill-informed suggestions! Oh yeah, NEWSFLASH:Salts' OK for ya, too and margarine tastes like suet and renders food inedible!!

Artificial sweeteners = Slavery
Processed Foods = Immune System Failure
Bacon and oysters, has been proven to increase libido and income (side effects may include grants from the Rockefeller foundation and freaky bitches digits!)

@notarobot "If it costs 1200 Euros (on average) to clear one mine, releasing 24 of these things to detonate ONE mine is still cheaper than other option."

Your math is based on some flawed assumptions. These things might detonate some landmines, that's it, and that's all. Mine clearance is about making safe zones where people can walk again with relative assurance that it's clear of mines.

Apples and oranges, but your apples are rotten, because they simply don't provide much practical use. Maybe it's possible one of these things might save a limb or a life, but as I pointed out earlier, it's equally possible they could cost a limb or a life. Without a dedicated research project nobody will ever know for sure whether these things effectively reduce the number of landmine related injuries.

Also, regarding the cost of mine clearance (well below your 1,200 euro spitball) http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/banmines/units/unit1c.asp I'll give the full quote because there are other sobering statistics there.

"A landmine that brings a vendor $3 in revenue, costs the international community between $300 and $1,000 to clear. At a minimum, the 110 million landmines currently buried worldwide will cost approximately $33 billion for clearance alone. In 1994, roughly 100,000 landmines were cleared. However, in that same period 2 million more landmines were laid, leaving the international community with an annual “de-mining deficit” of some 1.9 million mines, adding another $1.4 billion to the cost of clearing the world's landmines."

By the way, one of the big reasons for the wide range in clearance costs is density of the minefield, it takes almost as much work to clear one square metre of space without mines at all as it does to clear one square metre of space with a mine in it, so these doohickys will do little to bring down the cost of clearance in that regard.

As to your first question, you tell me. Why have them speak at all? Because we like a few songs they wrote or admire them for playing some fictional character on our televisions? Each political party uses entertainment icons to target certain groups of voters they believe they otherwise wouldn't reach. Kid Rock for the right, Black Eyed Peas on the left. Why do the political parties do this if not to provide direction for some segment of the masses?

Second question. That is my point. The more dysfunctional society becomes, the stranger the stars. They are the mirror to our disease.

Third. HuH? Did I say that? Where?

Fourth. Since politicians started employing entertainers to shill for them. It looks like our elected officials think they need to depend on the star power for votes. At least they are depending on them. And they are depending on them because they think we depend on them. And, I think voting is a "decision on our future," don't you?

Lastly, I am making an observation about our society and this Kabuki dance we go through. Do you not see this on both sides? I think you'd have to be blind not to.





>> ^NetRunner:

Since when have entertainers been a "compass of political direction?"
Since when have entertainers been any more dysfunctional than your average person who gets rapidly launched into a position of fame and fortune?
Since when have self-styled sober, somber people actually been any smarter or wiser than people with senses of humor?
Since when has anyone been dependent on entertainers for decisions on our future?
Nothing you're saying makes any sense to me, unless of course you start by making some rather condescending assumptions about the sorts of people who're likely to vote for Obama.
>> ^silvercord:
I've wondered for a long time why our entertainers have become such a compass of political direction. With many of their own lives so steeped in dysfunction it speaks to our own sense of alignment that we have, in ways, become dependent on their voices for decisions regarding our future. Strange, that. Not difficult to understand, but strange.

Since when have entertainers been a "compass of political direction?"

Since when have entertainers been any more dysfunctional than your average person who gets rapidly launched into a position of fame and fortune?

Since when have self-styled sober, somber people actually been any smarter or wiser than people with senses of humor?

Since when has anyone been dependent on entertainers for decisions on our future?

Nothing you're saying makes any sense to me, unless of course you start by making some rather condescending assumptions about the sorts of people who're likely to vote for Obama.

>> ^silvercord:

I've wondered for a long time why our entertainers have become such a compass of political direction. With many of their own lives so steeped in dysfunction it speaks to our own sense of alignment that we have, in ways, become dependent on their voices for decisions regarding our future. Strange, that. Not difficult to understand, but strange.

Yeah, sad that the cop would ask about narcotics because of a joint. what year is this again? Insurance companies would like cannabis to be a sign of a good driver because that is what their data shows. People who are less likely to cause accidents than sober people today get treated the opposite which reverses who should be paying higher or lower premiums, etc.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Too bad for him (and you) that "flying the plane" involves diplomacy and charisma.>> ^quantumushroom:
I don't care if the pilot of the 747 I'm on isn't the World's Most Interesting Man/Media Creation, I only care that he's sober and can fly the damned thing.
ROMNEY LANDSLIDE 2012.



And, incidentally, caring about the interests of more than just the richest 1% of the county.

Too bad for him (and you) that "flying the plane" involves diplomacy and charisma.>> ^quantumushroom:

I don't care if the pilot of the 747 I'm on isn't the World's Most Interesting Man/Media Creation, I only care that he's sober and can fly the damned thing.
ROMNEY LANDSLIDE 2012.

I don't care if the pilot of the 747 I'm on isn't the World's Most Interesting Man/Media Creation, I only care that he's sober and can fly the damned thing.

ROMNEY LANDSLIDE 2012.

Well maybe I need a few drinks to really respond to your argument properly, but I'll do my best while sober

I think it's a bug and a coincidence. I was really talking about phones and other embedded devices rather than laptops, but you have a point that it's kinda similar here.

Here's the thing though: Win8 is so different to win7 and vista that Microsoft would be taking a huge risk if they tried to make people switch to it before they got used to the change. Given that people will have to re-learn a whole lot of stuff (or install classic shell) anyway, what's to stop them looking around and buying a macbook air, or installing Ubuntu on their old laptop?

Look, I readily concede that your way is possible, but it just doesn't seem terribly likely to sober me (drunk me could have a different opinion, but I wouldn't listen to him if I were you).
In reply to this comment by zaust:
Hang on a sec - what your saying is old unsupported devices - such as a 4 year old Windows Vista 7 laptop have a best version. So why, JUST NOW, right when win8 is around the corner are the automatic updates which are enabled on every new PC restricting my dad's functionality?

This isn't a case of his installed the latest win8 beta (he has not surprisingly as he was in IT for 30 years - but it's in a separate boot partition and runs all of his usb functions perfectly). This is an update to vista 32 bit drivers which has lessoned his functionally roughly a month before win8 comes out.

Could be a bug, could be a coincidence. Could be microsoft are shaking the tree just enough to make people question if they need the new OS.

Lets take a couple more points of view - you've probably seen the start trek TNG vs special edition videos where the original footage looked WAY worse than what was aired originally. If not maybe your a gamer? Notice how blizzard are preparing "Titan" for launch (new mmo) whilst at the same time releasing a kung-fu panda expansion for wow whilst addressing none of the failings Guild Wars 2 has highlighted.

It pays for companies to make their old products look obsolete whilst retaining their brand loyalty

Sorry for rant - had a few to drink.