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Cap and Trade ia another financial shell game. And, she forgot to mention Devil #4: Al Gore. Who will continue to throw fear into everyone's face and fill his pockets with C&T operations.

You don't really understand cap and trade do you? Maybe lose the rhetoric and instead try to convey you point with proven examples and science?

Rotty doesn't need to understand things. He's got faith.

sigh. I thought this would be an intelligent argument. She starts by trashing the people who came up with the idea in a generalist way. Cmon lady.

"This idea is brought to you by a guy at Enron and a guy at Goldman Sachs who brought us the mortgage crisis!"

This is like saying, "This idea is brought to you by a guy who lives in Germany; a country that had Adolf Hitler as its ruler!"

Kirk Cameron should've been the host of the video. No, I didn't watch the rest.

No, no it's not. That is actually quite an important and significant connection that is quite intelligent to mention, ignoring it is moronic. If you do any sort of research on these companies and their executive board, you will see a very clear picture that is all too overlooked. Also you mentioned Hitler and thus you lose, sorry, that's the law of debating.

If you had watched the rest, you might of seen the intelligent argument you were looking for. The parts where she exposes the massive gaping problems with Cap & Trade that show a clear intention of making money, not saving the world. You're probably going to say, "Oh they'll definitely iron out those massive oversights that reduce the whole concept to nothing! Of course they will!" but again, knowing the power and influence of the people behind it, the whole point is for those flaws to exist.

>> ^Edgeman2112:
sigh. I thought this would be an intelligent argument. She starts by trashing the people who came up with the idea in a generalist way. Cmon lady.
"This idea is brought to you by a guy at Enron and a guy at Goldman Sachs who brought us the mortgage crisis!"
This is like saying, "This idea is brought to you by a guy who lives in Germany; a country that had Adolf Hitler as its ruler!"
Kirk Cameron should've been the host of the video. No, I didn't watch the rest.

You don't really understand people, do you? Science doesn't dictate their desire for power, wealth and control of others. Cap and Trade is just another vehicle for this. Energy credits are not hard to understand. It's the creative ways governments, businesses and traders will find to corrupt something that is theoretically meant to be "good".

>> ^tristangrace:
You don't really understand cap and trade do you? Maybe lose the rhetoric and instead try to convey you point with proven examples and science?


If you are implying that I am necessarily religious, then you are wrong (once again). I have no faith in that jackass in the White House or his crooked administration. I have little faith in Congress. I have no faith in the media. However, I have full faith that the socialists will continue with their steady stream of pointless Glenn Beck videos (and the like) to steer attention away from the White House failures and the fact that obammy is just a Bush of a different color.

>> ^KnivesOut:
Rotty doesn't need to understand things. He's got faith.

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I hate this video. She seems to have some good points here and there, but most of it seems like total propaganda to make you hate cap and trade.

1. How does it make any sense that she's comparing cap and trade to the dot com bubble and the sub prime mortgage bubble?! What does it mean that its "coming from the same guys"? What is she even talking about? Why does she automatically infer that there will be a carbon credit bubble that will burst? I don't think I'll be investing my money in carbon credits anyway. Is she just scared of the word 'market'? Or is she intentionally playing off of people's fears of 'markets' in recent times?

2. She mentions that we'll be giving carbon credits to companies that already pollute. She may have a point there. That sounds stupid. If you read on wikipedia though, some cap and trade plans auction off all carbon credits to companies. Other ones "grandfather" companies into carbon credits. Some plans do both. She decides to not even mention auctioning carbon credits. She decides to just rename all cap and trade plans to "cap and giveaway" plans. Nice propaganda.

3. She mentions that people can cheat the laws to receive carbon offset credits. Ok.. lets fix that. Lets get rid of carbon offset credits if we have to. Why would we scrap the whole thing?

If she was just discussing points and problems, it would have been great. But it seems like the whole point of the video is to make you scared of cap and trade. The fundamental concept of cap and trade is still sound.

She lost me at "sometimes cheating isn't the end of the world, but in this case, it is".

>> ^brain:
I hate this video. She seems to have some good points here and there, but most of it seems like total propaganda to make you hate cap and trade.

Occasionally she gets a bit too dismissively pessimistic, but ultimately she's not saying that cap & trade as envisioned wouldn't work, she's mostly saying that the same evil companies and their lobbyists are getting things put into the existing legislation that will make it meaningless, and possibly worse than meaningless.

For example, I knew about the giveaway part, but I didn't know you could get credits for offsets. They either need to kill that, or regulate the crap out of it.

That's where the new Ponzi scheme will come from -- fake carbon offsets.

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