TDS: For Fox Sake! - 10/29/09

brainsays...

Honestly, I don't watch much MSNBC, but I'm not sure that they're biased. I can certainly agree that Olbermann is biased. He's basically the opposite of Bill O'Reilly. Rachel Maddow is of course also biased. But then as John Stuart pointed out, MSNBC's morning show is hosted by a conservative. MSNBC is probably overall biased, but they're less than half as biased as Fox News. Fox News has reached the level of insanity.

NetRunnersays...

Having opinion-based commentary on the factual events of the day with an ideological slant isn't a bad thing.

That's what opinion journalism is really for -- state an opinion, but present facts to back up the case. Maddow is very scrupulous about her facts, Olbermann is a little more prone to cherry picking and selective quoting, but he's not making things up out of whole cloth. Both of their commentary is based on reactions to supposedly objective reports coming from other sources.

What you have at Fox is similar, but works in reverse. Glenn Beck makes shit up, draws it on a chalkboard, and the next hour it's being reported as fact by the supposedly objective Fox News bunch.

I think the focus on "bias" is a big red herring. Bias is unavoidable; after all, news is always written by people who have a viewpoint. They can scrupulously avoid it, or not, but nothing reported is ever going to be the objective, indisputable truth.

What Fox does is propaganda. It's creating false information, and trying to insert it into the general news ecosystem, with the hope that their lies will be repeated by other, more credible institutions, in order to control the national discussion in such a way as to be beneficial to their political ambitions.

People who think MSNBC is some sort of mirror opposite are kidding themselves.

Psychologicsays...

^ One of my neighbors claims "Fox News is the only news network that will actually tell the truth". Among his numerous gems of information: "Obama has never released any evidence of citizenship" and "it was unconstitutional for Obama to create the TARP program". I'd feel better if I didn't hear the same sorts of things repeated by others multiple times per week.


All information is biased, but Fox is hovering around the "willful deception" area. My opinion is that no news network is worthy of being a person's only source of information, but I meet far too many people who trust Fox and ignore everything else.

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