I'm a bit curious how she manages to afford that nice apartment, without participating in our "wage slave" economy.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that I could have as much freedom and leisure as I currently have, if I was spending the time necessary to avoid participation. Specialization has distinct benefits, and I doubt that my specialty is much in demand among these folks, so barter isn't going to be an efficient option for me.

Moving this video to PlayhousePals's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

>> ^Stormsinger:

I'm a bit curious how she manages to afford that nice apartment, without participating in our "wage slave" economy.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that I could have as much freedom and leisure as I currently have, if I was spending the time necessary to avoid participation. Specialization has distinct benefits, and I doubt that my specialty is much in demand among these folks, so barter isn't going to be an efficient option for me.


Freedom and leisure is a good benefit to keeping passive. Wage Slavery was considered a horrible thing back int he day...so horrible that Actual Slave owners were making the argument that it was worse than being actual slaves.

The idea is to keep everyone wanting bullshit, striving to gain wealth forgetting everything but yourself. It's hard to convince people to forget that they're all in this together, it's a lot of work but it is working to some extent at least. We should work to fight it, there's no reason why some Multinational Corporation needs to own your towns factory just so they could decide it's not making enough and close it. The people who work there, who have a stake in the place should own it.

Here's a good clip from "The Corporation" with Chomsky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJrEQtQDmXQ

#1) I don't think slave owner's opinions of what's horrible and what's not is something I really give a shit about...they're not exactly role models when it comes to ethical behavior.

#2) The tactic of "keeping everyone striving to gain wealth forgetting everything but yourself", isn't really relevant to what I said, or even the general thrust of what I said, is it? At least I don't see how it has anything to do with the efficiency of specialization...

#3) I quite like the idea of labor-owned corporations. I think it makes far more sense than "capital-owned corporations". The only reason capitalists have such an unbalanced stranglehold on the economy, is that money is more liquid than labor...thus it's easier to bribe the legislators into passing laws that benefit the wealthy.

>> ^Stormsinger:

#1) I don't think slave owner's opinions of what's horrible and what's not is something I really give a shit about...they're not exactly role models when it comes to ethical behavior.
#2) The tactic of "keeping everyone striving to gain wealth forgetting everything but yourself", isn't really relevant to what I said, or even the general thrust of what I said, is it? At least I don't see how it has anything to do with the efficiency of specialization...
#3) I quite like the idea of labor-owned corporations. I think it makes far more sense than "capital-owned corporations". The only reason capitalists have such an unbalanced stranglehold on the economy, is that money is more liquid than labor...thus it's easier to bribe the legislators into passing laws that benefit the wealthy.


1. That was kinda the point. They're sooo horrible that they think Wage Slavery is demeaning, so how good must wage slavery be? It's just an example, that a lot of people agreed with back in the day.

2 and 3 I was just bolstering what I'm saying, Wage Slavery is bullshit and American economic culture is bullshit.

Wow...I totally misread your post then.

There really is/was a problem with wage slavery, sometimes referred to as truck systems. But I think the only times I've heard about it recently were in regards to companies who bring illegal immigrants over (seems to be usually from Asia), and then manipulate pay and fees to make sure the immigrants can never get out of their "contract". It's definitely scummy, but it's not business as usual in America.

In this video, it seems the term "wage slavery" is pretty much BS, used just to help drum up emotions and try to get the word-of-mouth equivalent of webpage hits.
>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Stormsinger:
#1) I don't think slave owner's opinions of what's horrible and what's not is something I really give a shit about...they're not exactly role models when it comes to ethical behavior.
#2) The tactic of "keeping everyone striving to gain wealth forgetting everything but yourself", isn't really relevant to what I said, or even the general thrust of what I said, is it? At least I don't see how it has anything to do with the efficiency of specialization...
#3) I quite like the idea of labor-owned corporations. I think it makes far more sense than "capital-owned corporations". The only reason capitalists have such an unbalanced stranglehold on the economy, is that money is more liquid than labor...thus it's easier to bribe the legislators into passing laws that benefit the wealthy.

1. That was kinda the point. They're sooo horrible that they think Wage Slavery is demeaning, so how good must wage slavery be? It's just an example, that a lot of people agreed with back in the day.
2 and 3 I was just bolstering what I'm saying, Wage Slavery is bullshit and American economic culture is bullshit.

So they're garbage pickers.... good luck with that.