gold scorpions do not fucking mess around.

Those guys are tiny. That's the cover to a blank cd spindle.

When I was a ragamuffin we used to stir up one anthill and scoop at it with a jar, then take a scoop from a different hill and watch the ensuing carnage. Its pretty impressive.

When I was a boy, we'd catch a cape buffalo and put it in the basement with a starving pack of feral pigs, and then throw in my bulldog Brutus for good measure. It wasn't very impressive, Brutus would always run away.

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This is pretty fucking horrible, and doesn't belong on the sift. What's the difference between this and fighting dogs or cocks?

Disgusting *blog

This video is being sent to Sift Talk for discussion - blog requested by therealblankman. You should no longer be using the 'blog' invocation; use 'discuss' instead.

How is having 2 arachnids fighting horrible ?
They have less brain matter than fish, and you can 'torture' fish without a problem, cause they arn't cognitivly aware enough to feel / care about what you are doing to them. These guys are orders of magnitude smaller...so meh.

It doesn't break any rule set by the posting guidelines, as they clearly state " Please do not post pornography or "snuff" films (which we define as the explicit depiction of loss of human life displayed for entertainment)."

Did you catch the human part in there? You may not like it, and if thats the case... downvote it to your hearts content. The sift will sift what it feels is appropriate or not. Since this video doesn't break any of those rules. It shall be *returned

Returning this video from Sift Talk - return requested by K0MMIE.

No problem, I'm off to go find some of Michael Vick's home videos...

therealblankman...this is worse, barely passes the "no snuff videos" rule...hmmmmm...
http://www.videosift.com/video/Tiger-hunting-in-India-Sometimes-the-Tiger-Wins

That was fuckin awesome!! I had goosebumps the whole time and my feet were off the ground. Fuck black widows! Next fight should be Scorpion vs Brown Recluse

I don't like it. It's the thin edge of the wedge. Next will be fish against crab in an aquarium, gopher against snake in a box, dog against dog in a small enclosure. Nowhere to run and utterly unfair.

Never mind the cool music.

I can't downvote as I am not a bronze yet.

I would argue it doesn't belong in the nature channel. Had this been filmed naturally occurring in the wild, then different story.

(Warning: gross generalizations and lots of italics ahead)

I didn't think twice about posting this, mostly because I would never equate it with dog or cock fights.
In my mind, everybody loves dogs, somebody loves cocks (& hates to see bloodshed/suffering whatsoever), and nobody loves spiders or scorpions. This could happen in nature, but I doubt they were bred from long lines of fighters and caused tremendous suffering nearly dying over and over from fights like dog/cock fights. They weren't angry, they are insectivores (?) trying to eat eachother... in fact, I'm pretty sure they were both probably excited to find some dinner!

I will remove it from the nature channel though if I get a second on that, ok?

Sorry for causing controversy, but hey...now that I think about it, how do we know where the edge is if nobody steps up to it and looks over, pointing it out, right? (I am THE Queen of justifications, though... lol)
p.s. ~ gargoyle, those progressions have not happened and don't exist except of course in your mind ~

off to find a video of fighting venus flytraps

Looks like the ant in the ring might not have survived... But did it survive long enough to downvote?

(As for me, in considering what I've seen of Sift history I do not see anything sufficiently cruel that would generate a downvote but then again I've never had that ability. I also do not feel the content is deserving of an upvote.)

Comparing this to dog and cock fights? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Like Laura said, they weren't bred for fighting. They weren't tortured, starved, and beaten within an inch of their life so that they may fight in a spindle cover. And even if it's a fish against a crab, sofuckingwhat? It's called NATURE. If you can't handle it, then stay the fuck out of this channel. What next, are you going to bitch and cry about a video showing a lion taking down a zebra in Africa? "Oh, that's cruel!"

Give me a fucking break.

having life fight to the death for the amusement of small minded inbreds is far from nature MGR. I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways. You either respect ALL life, no limitations based on arbitrary species catorgorisation or you just stfu.
But then how can one expect a military man to understand humanity let alone cruelty?

there's a great scene like this in the iraq documentary, The War Tapes. Something the soldiers do during downtime. 'Cept the scorpion and the spider in that one are twice as big! And the result is a lot different.

Wow, fade, there's just so many directions I can take that asinine rambling you call a sentence.
1) Are you saying I'm an idiot?
2) If anyone could understand humanity, it's a "military man." I guarantee I've seen and experienced WAY more shit than you ever will. I've seen shit that would make normal people gag, seen stuff that would give people nightmares for months, and experienced things that would warm the coldest of hearts all in one week.

STFU next time before you open your ignorant mouth.

Ahh MarineGunrock.

I think you're an idiot, but that's based on your small minded bigoted attitude towards gay people.

But aside from bringing that up again, I want to quote:
"IT'S CALLED NATURE!" -- MarineGunrock

I disagree on 2 counts:
1. i did a very very quick search on wikipedia, which told me that a "gold scorpion" appears in israel and egypt, whereas the "black widow" appears in south africa, north america and australia.. so based on that information ALONE (and this may come as a surprise but i am not an expert), they're not gonna meet naturally. so it's not like we gain any knowledge about nature from it. we know the behaviour of both creatures, so there's no value there. if they never meet in nature then we gain nothing there. and i don't think cd covers occur naturally in the wild so i don't think we're getting any decent knowledge about terrain usage.
(in retrospect i admit that we may have discovered something unique, and i'm simply manipulating the fact that nothing impressive happened - fair enough, call me on that)

2. your argument has flaws.. where does "IT'S NATURE!!" begin and end? if i took a 6 year old toddler and put him in a room with a 12 foot long monster snake from the movies, that wouldn't be nature, would it? would a labrador vs. the snake be nature? at what point are you going to distinguish between nature and just plain old fashioned cockfighting? like it or not, it's not nature. if you'd done it in a garden i could give the benefit of the doubt, but here it's just cockfighting. i don't know what you think the difference is between cockfighting and this is. like a cock goes through a whole survival and combat training course?

they're "bred and raised to fight", as though that means anything other than "i'll breed this big cock with this big cock (lol big cock), then make it fight weaker smaller cocks for food!".. i don't know, i don't breed fighting-cocks, but i'm willing to hazard a guess that they aren't sent away to cock-camp with a big cock-drill-sergeant screaming at it until it eventually turns it into a man-cock.....and we learn a lot about the human condition, progression to manhood, and the secret inner demons of the bullying drill-sergeant-cock.

you can argue about "cognitive ability and/or the ability to feel or experience pain/terror" till you're blue in the face, and you'll still never be 100% certain whether or not the thing can think/experience/feel. especially because we can only understand thinking/feeling/experiencing in our OWN terms.

not having a go at the poster, simply putting forth the arguments for the opinion that this really isn't a nature thing.. it's just small-fry cockfighting.

and, always, winding MarineGunrock up.

EDIT;
MarineGunrock proving he's a deep and intelligent guy: STFU next time before you open your ignorant mouth.

i'm paraphrasing, but i think you effectively told fade to "SHUT UP BEFORE SPEAKING NEXT TIME!!".. keep at it slick, you're dead special

Since when is Israel and Egypt (yeah, pronouns are supposed to be capitalized, btw) in El Paso?

I never once said they would meet in nature. I said this is what two insects of that type would do if they meet in nature.

P.S. Everyone loves a troll.

Laura, if you're trying (feebly) to call me a hypocrite, then go to hell.

As for this video, yes I find it distasteful. I see NO difference between this and a torture or fighting video of a higher animal. All serial killers start out by torturing and abusing other species... insects, cats, dogs. I don't think we here at the sift ought to support their formative efforts.

Serial killers also start out drinking water and breathing air.

First things first. If anyone has ever seen me post they know I'm one of the first to speak about taser abuse, racial imbalance in the prison system, or other problems of the sort. I'm hardly an apologist for anyone, especially for authority. But the "how can one expect a military man to understand humanity" thing was out of line.

The most gentle and childlike man in terms of wanting to play rather than fight I've ever met in my life was a former green beret who fought in Nam, 68-69. He like many others didn't join to kill people, he joined to play baseball on special teams and when that was cut to expand the war in Nam they asked him to try out for the other. Most who join think they are doing the right thing, at least when they start. Although most have had the chance to rotate out by now we started this war with kids who joined to get money for college or to get out of dead end towns, not with killers. Almost anyone put into an ugly situation can find themselves doing things they never would have dreamed of on their own, be it on the streets, prison, or in war. I did, streets and lockup. Blame the war and the leaders, or the drug war, or whatever applies in that particular case.

Some of those same people come out to form groups such as Veterans Against The War, or Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Convert them if they aren't already with us, don't condemn them.

As far as the vid, personally I think it's in poor taste and doesn't have anythiing to do with nature but I've never down voted anything yet and I'm not going to start with this one. I'm as surprised by some of the reaction to it as I am about the vid itself. Not that people didn't like it, but at how fast the discussion got personal. We're normally better than this. WTF? You don't change minds or get a point of view across by getting combative, you do it by explaining.

Wow, the signal to noise ratio on this debate is terrible. There's a couple statements here I was interested in replying to; some serious and some not so.

therealblankman...this is worse, barely passes the "no snuff videos" rule...hmmmmm...
http://www.videosift.com/video/Tiger-hunting-in-India-Sometimes-the-Tiger-Wins

Next fight should be Scorpion vs Brown Recluse

Sorry for causing controversy

It's called NATURE. If you can't handle it, then stay the fuck out of this channel. What next, are you going to bitch and cry about a video showing a lion taking down a zebra in Africa? "Oh, that's cruel!"

If anyone could understand humanity, it's a "military man." I guarantee I've seen and experienced WAY more shit than you ever will. I've seen shit that would make normal people gag, seen stuff that would give people nightmares for months, and experienced things that would warm the coldest of hearts all in one week.

The sift will sift what it feels is appropriate or not. Since this video doesn't break any of those rules. It shall be...

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too serious....
Way.
Seriously.

overcast - no offense taken, but I'm too drunk to respond right now

I get the sneaky suspicion this is what MGR spent his time in Iraq or what ever god forsaken war he was involved in, doing.

This is getting good. I like where this thread is going. Its like 2 fights, one on the video, one on the comments!

I didn't like the video, but I enjoyed reading overcasts response.

"If I wanted to watch lower life forms crawl all over each other, I'd go download the Paris Hilton sex tape."

Ooh, very nice.

"However, none of this places you above us."

Of course it doesn't. To think it would is absolute insanity.

"I realize that you've been brainwashed to believe that you are the ultimate form of human..."

Eh, you're close. They want you to think that you are a better citizen than most people, because it keeps your behavior up. But to say that I think I'm the ultimate form of human, or that I think I'm better than anyone else? That's just absurd.
All I was offering is that my experiences would enable me to see humanity from a side that most people can not.

"top trying to be everyone's drill sergeant and just have a discussion. You're not impressing anyone."

I'm really not even sure what that was supposed to mean. Besides, we have Drill Instructors

just a few days back I posted this lovely video which I then quickly discarded after getting downvoted (shame on me) and I'm still very ambigous towards it - at least mine's a better quality

Overcast does, however, have a very good point MGR... one I have been trying to figure out how to verbalize for some time... and this is in regards to all your activities on this site, not just this one thread...

Because, frankly, I am also completely sick of your attitude of superiority and your inability enter into a reasonable debate without prefacing it with some sort of statement about how you served in the military... as if that automatically makes you the be all and end all in regards to whatever the topic is at hand and your experiences on your tour of duty somehow trumps any other experiences of another person. This reasoning, is just ridiculous, childish, and tiresome... I would ask that you move away from it as it is by no means a valid method of supporting an argument.

I think you also fail to see that military service, and the innate respect many of us have for veterans, in no way translates to respect on a website where you continually act in an absurdly condescending and oftentimes belligerent fashion... you certainly have lost any of the respect from me that I may have initially held for you due to your service, because I have come to realize that you may have posted X-number of comments more than most members in your short tenure here, but many of those could be considered little better than the shit posted by a garden variety internet troll... the only difference? You have chosen to pay for the privilege of being a troll and therefore are not regarded as such... so congratufuckinglations on that move, you've gained some amount of credibility around here and I suggest that from here on out you stop abusing it and calm the fuck down in your discourse.

There, I said it, I will not back down, apologize, nor take it back and this statement is not up for debate, it is how I feel about you, based on my observations of your behavior on the site... in the future, I ask that you remember that this is not the corps, and if you want respect on this site, you need to give it before you can expect to get any in return.

Before I even read more than three sentences of your comment, I'm going to say WHOAH.
I Did not bring up the military thing. Fade did. The only thing I said was that my experiences opened my eyes to a lot of shit. NO WHERE in my comments did I mention that I was better or more worthy than anyone else here. Other people put those words into my mouth.
Please provide me with examples of how I always enter into a conversation by mentioning that I served. I only mention it where appropriate (videos of Iraq), and it's in the form of "From my experience" or "When I was in" - and even then it's few and far between.
Now that I've read your completely unwarranted comment, I will say that it is indeed up for debate. If you didn't want it to be, you shouldn't have posted it.

Again, please cite examples. If you can show me that I'm as big of an asshole as your comment makes me out to be, I will STFU. Until then, no hard feelings, and happy sifting.

Oh, and you really ought to have had some tact, and said that via a PM. This really isn't the place to shit on someone.

I was referring not only to this thread, but to ALL your activities on this website... your body of work if you will... it only came out here because I have finally HAD IT with remaining silent on the matter... call this thread the straw that broke the raven's back if you will.

As for not doing this via PM I feel that is somehow counter to the nature of my grievance as it is based entirely on your behavior in a very public forum, so therefore, I see no reason to not voice my complaints in the same fashion.

I also feel in no way beholden to your request for ME to waste my time going back through YOUR comments and circle and underline every instance where I felt you have been an ass. You are perfectly capable of rereading every damn thing you have written and reflecting upon how it may have been read by others, or on how you could have better argued your position without reverting to the same tried and true method of hiding behind your service.

Lastly, that comment of mine is not up for debate because it is MY opinion... it is MINE and MINE alone and no amount of going round and round with you over the minutiae of your past comments and having you back pedal about what it is you may have or may not have meant will make me change MY opinion. The only thing that could possibly change my opinion of you is for you to take some time to take stock of your participation thus far on this site... in ALL realms of conversation... and work towards being a better participant in the future. Nothing you can SAY at this point will change my opinion or experience of you... but everything you DO in the future can begin to rectify that. That is all.

Wow, this is something I don't often see here. I hate to see people going after each other. This is one of the best sites I've visited with respect to, well, respect.

Not that anyone listens to me, but I'd just like to make the observation that people here are by and large pretty damn good about discussing issues and differences of opinion and perspective without getting personal and I've really appreciated that. I would hope that we could kick back into that gear here. End of point.

As far as this video is concerned, I'm not too big a fan of pitting animals of any kind against each other for the mere amusement of humans - it just seems cruel and completely unnecessary. Not that I didn't engage in a number of acts of cruelty as a kid (still waiting for the serial killer urge to kick in...)

Having said that, it does strike as a bit of hyperbole to get up in arms over what is shown here. I just can't really take the "you either respect life - all of it - or you don't" seriously. Seems to me there is a moral gradation that we apply with repect to other beings, that is, the more complex, the more moral "value" we assign to them. After all, bacteria are of the animal kingdom, but I hardly think anyone is going to object to a video depicting two of them duking it out... And yes, TO THE DEATH!!!

I think you're missing the point that I just don't give a shit. You're making claims but don't care to back them up. Therefore, I will simply disregard them. If you don't like me, that's fine. I honestly don't care. But I am certainly not about to do the legwork to support your claims.

And that, is probably why you will remain little more than a troll.

Because I don't give a shit if you don't like me? What would you rather me do? Cry and plead with you until you like me again? Or is it because I'm not going to do work to support your claims?

Not everyone likes everyone. It's simply not the end of my world. I try to keep my comments on the intelligent and meaningful side, and I also try and not write things for the purpose of being inflammatory. If you wish to have a serious and intelligent discussion with me over this, you know my Gchat. I don't want to pollute this thread anymore than it already is. Until then, I simply apologize for whatever I have done to offend you so greatly.

Must I explain everything to you? Are you really that dense?

If you are unwilling to work towards your own personal growth then that is your great loss.

And yes, you are right, not everyone likes everyone... and many people dislike you. I, however, am as usual, the only one with the stones to say anything about it... and I have. Consider it a warning and do with it what you will... shove it up your ass if it feels best there, I don't care and I'm not going to go round and round with you about it.

I have said my piece, I laid it all out there for you, reread it if you don't understand and ruminate on it. Maybe, some of it will sink in, and in the future perhaps you will think before you simply shit words out of your brain and onto the internet.

I would delete this vid and all of its comments, sending it bit by bit into nothing more than scattered shards headed ultimately into oblivion rendering it flapping helplessly in the land of things that happened but never really ever happened...if I could. (Discard isn't good enough.)

ever-more-sarcastically-in-contempt-of-judgemental-people-ly yours,

Laura

Ecclesiastes

Chapter 1

1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.

17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

[edit] Chapter 2

1 I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure: and, behold, this also is vanity.

2 I said of laughter, It is mad: and of mirth, What doeth it?

3 I sought in mine heart to give myself unto wine, yet acquainting mine heart with wisdom; and to lay hold on folly, till I might see what was that good for the sons of men, which they should do under the heaven all the days of their life.

4 I made me great works; I builded me houses; I planted me vineyards:

5 I made me gardens and orchards, and I planted trees in them of all kind of fruits:

6 I made me pools of water, to water therewith the wood that bringeth forth trees:

7 I got me servants and maidens, and had servants born in my house; also I had great possessions of great and small cattle above all that were in Jerusalem before me:

8 I gathered me also silver and gold, and the peculiar treasure of kings and of the provinces: I gat me men singers and women singers, and the delights of the sons of men, as musical instruments, and that of all sorts.

9 So I was great, and increased more than all that were before me in Jerusalem: also my wisdom remained with me.

10 And whatsoever mine eyes desired I kept not from them, I withheld not my heart from any joy; for my heart rejoiced in all my labour: and this was my portion of all my labour.

11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.

12 And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done.

13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.

14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.

15 Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.

16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.

17 Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

18 Yea, I hated all my labour which I had taken under the sun: because I should leave it unto the man that shall be after me.

19 And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool? yet shall he have rule over all my labour wherein I have laboured, and wherein I have shewed myself wise under the sun. This is also vanity.

20 Therefore I went about to cause my heart to despair of all the labour which I took under the sun.

21 For there is a man whose labour is in wisdom, and in knowledge, and in equity; yet to a man that hath not laboured therein shall he leave it for his portion. This also is vanity and a great evil.

22 For what hath man of all his labour, and of the vexation of his heart, wherein he hath laboured under the sun?

23 For all his days are sorrows, and his travail grief; yea, his heart taketh not rest in the night. This is also vanity.

24 There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God.

25 For who can eat, or who else can hasten hereunto, more than I?

26 For God giveth to a man that is good in his sight wisdom, and knowledge, and joy: but to the sinner he giveth travail, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him that is good before God. This also is vanity and vexation of spirit.

[edit] Chapter 3

1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

[edit] Chapter 4

1 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter.

2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive.

3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.

4 Again, I considered all travail, and every right work, that for this a man is envied of his neighbour. This is also vanity and vexation of spirit.

5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

6 Better is an handful with quietness, than both the hands full with travail and vexation of spirit.

7 Then I returned, and I saw vanity under the sun.

8 There is one alone, and there is not a second; yea, he hath neither child nor brother: yet is there no end of all his labour; neither is his eye satisfied with riches; neither saith he, For whom do I labour, and bereave my soul of good? This is also vanity, yea, it is a sore travail.

9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.

10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

13 Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.

14 For out of prison he cometh to reign; whereas also he that is born in his kingdom becometh poor.

15 I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the second child that shall stand up in his stead.

16 There is no end of all the people, even of all that have been before them: they also that come after shall not rejoice in him. Surely this also is vanity and vexation of spirit.

[edit] Chapter 5

1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.

3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.

6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?

7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

8 If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they.

9 Moreover the profit of the earth is for all: the king himself is served by the field.

10 He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase: this is also vanity.

11 When goods increase, they are increased that eat them: and what good is there to the owners thereof, saving the beholding of them with their eyes?

12 The sleep of a labouring man is sweet, whether he eat little or much: but the abundance of the rich will not suffer him to sleep.

13 There is a sore evil which I have seen under the sun, namely, riches kept for the owners thereof to their hurt.

14 But those riches perish by evil travail: and he begetteth a son, and there is nothing in his hand.

15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.

16 And this also is a sore evil, that in all points as he came, so shall he go: and what profit hath he that hath laboured for the wind?

17 All his days also he eateth in darkness, and he hath much sorrow and wrath with his sickness.

18 Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.

19 Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.

20 For he shall not much remember the days of his life; because God answereth him in the joy of his heart.

[edit] Chapter 6

1 There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, and it is common among men:

2 A man to whom God hath given riches, wealth, and honour, so that he wanteth nothing for his soul of all that he desireth, yet God giveth him not power to eat thereof, but a stranger eateth it: this is vanity, and it is an evil disease.

3 If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he.

4 For he cometh in with vanity, and departeth in darkness, and his name shall be covered with darkness.

5 Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other.

6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

7 All the labour of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.

8 For what hath the wise more than the fool? what hath the poor, that knoweth to walk before the living?

9 Better is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of the desire: this is also vanity and vexation of spirit.

10 That which hath been is named already, and it is known that it is man: neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he.

11 Seeing there be many things that increase vanity, what is man the better?

12 For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

[edit] Chapter 7

1 A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.

2 It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.

3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.

4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

5 It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

7 Surely oppression maketh a wise man mad; and a gift destroyeth the heart.

8 Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.

9 Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.

10 Say not thou, What is the cause that the former days were better than these? for thou dost not enquire wisely concerning this.

11 Wisdom is good with an inheritance: and by it there is profit to them that see the sun.

12 For wisdom is a defence, and money is a defence: but the excellency of knowledge is, that wisdom giveth life to them that have it.

13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

14 In the day of prosperity be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing after him.

15 All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness.

16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?

17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

18 It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this; yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all.

19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city.

20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

21 Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse thee:

22 For oftentimes also thine own heart knoweth that thou thyself likewise hast cursed others.

23 All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me.

24 That which is far off, and exceeding deep, who can find it out?

25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:

28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.

29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

[edit] Chapter 8

1 Who is as the wise man? and who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? a man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed.

2 I counsel thee to keep the king's commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God.

3 Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him.

4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?

5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment.

6 Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is great upon him.

7 For he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be?

8 There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

9 All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt.

10 And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the place of the holy, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity.

11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

12 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:

13 But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God.

14 There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happeneth according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous: I said that this also is vanity.

15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.

16 When I applied mine heart to know wisdom, and to see the business that is done upon the earth: (for also there is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes:)

17 Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

[edit] Chapter 9

1 For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them.

2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.

3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.

9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.

13 This wisdom have I seen also under the sun, and it seemed great unto me:

14 There was a little city, and few men within it; and there came a great king against it, and besieged it, and built great bulwarks against it:

15 Now there was found in it a poor wise man, and he by his wisdom delivered the city; yet no man remembered that same poor man.

16 Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard.

17 The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.

18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.

[edit] Chapter 10

1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.

2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.

3 Yea also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to every one that he is a fool.

4 If the spirit of the ruler rise up against thee, leave not thy place; for yielding pacifieth great offences.

5 There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceedeth from the ruler:

6 Folly is set in great dignity, and the rich sit in low place.

7 I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth.

8 He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.

9 Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth wood shall be endangered thereby.

10 If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct.

11 Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better.

12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.

13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.

14 A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?

15 The labour of the foolish wearieth every one of them, because he knoweth not how to go to the city.

16 Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and thy princes eat in the morning!

17 Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!

18 By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through.

19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

20 Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.

[edit] Chapter 11

1 Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.

2 Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth.

3 If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be.

4 He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap.

5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

6 In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good.

7 Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun:

8 But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.

9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

10 Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity.

[edit] Chapter 12

1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,

4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;

5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

9 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.

11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


-just kidding-

^wtf? Lawl.

A 'warning'? Sound ominous.
And I'm very much willing to better myself. People who aren't generally don't join the Marine Corps *GASP* I brought that up again! Oh, what's that? It's relevant to the point? *PHEW!*

Anyway, I'm very willing to better myself, but I will do it on my own terms, not because someone on the internet told me to. Once again, thanks for the words, they taste great. But would you mind if I spat them out? Thanks.

Though I don't find any particular value in the video, I do love the conversation that ensues.
On the topic of this being animal cruelty, I can see how your left wing PETA activist might agree with it. However, I personally cant see how it is. Danny quickly scurried off to everyones favorite resource, the grand almighty Wiki, and picked up some information that some other drunk ass decided was the truth and posted.
PEOPLE - WIKI IS USER EDITED AND CREATED. NOT ALL WIKI ENTRIES ARE CORRECT!
Sorry for the caps, but its getting to that point. Well as some one who has lived in El Paso for a few years, i know first hand that these "golden" scorpions exist there. It is not a golden scorpion, but rather a very young scorpion. their exoskeleton structures are translucent when they are young.
SO yes, this is something you may come across in nature.

@ Raven
I generally consider you one of the more intelligible people on the sift, even more so than the wiki-loving probie. Seriously though I tend to find your comments more insightful than most sifters so to see your comments through this thread a little off with your usual comments. I'm defiantly not saying that there are people out there that don't like MG. Its just that to say he always does something, and then offer no proof to support your claims. Then When he asked you to show him where he does it, you stated you weren't going to do it, because he needed to so that he could better himself. As much as it pains me, I'm going to have to side with MG on this point. Most of the threads I've seen where theres constant MG ass pounding, it starts because someone put words in his mouth. Yeah, theres probably a couple places where he might say something to start it, but most of the time it is other people.

Lawl @ "in-your-face-facts". And the "MG ass-pounding" thread is actually a video.

For the record, I like the Gunrock just fine. Doesn't mean I won't throw a little criticism at him.

I hope most of the comment upvotes I'm getting are for my incredible wit and comedic genius rather than my "attack" on the Teufelshunde.

@arsenault: thank you for the compliments and feel free to side with MG... I never asked for anyone to rise to my defense or validate my opinion... but the truth of the matter is that I don't feel it necessary to spend my time nitpicking through his comments to justify my reaction to his general attitude because my opinion is just that... on his general manner of comporting himself around the sift. I see nothing wrong in telling him that I don't find his behavior charming and in asking him to keep that in mind in future adventures about the internet.

Also, thank you noticing that this thread is, in fact, off from my normal comments... it takes a lot to annoy me to this point and MGR has managed to do just that, so congrats to him, maybe we can give him another prize and he'll feel all better about it.

Also, I think that's dystopian's way of saying that this thread is finished... something I second completely.

I had a bug zapper once... and I killed a bee nest with gasoline. Am I a serial killer?! RUN!!

Man, I fucking hate arachnids... why can't it be fluffy bunnies and hamsters fighting to the death?

i was bored (high) and i read dystopianfuture's bible post.. which was a joke... but actually there were two lines out of the scripture that sum the objections to the video up! wierd. Here they are:

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

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