Again...not defending the TSA...but the reporter was real classy in using his daughter in that footage.

Also, hate to say it, but that one guy is right...flying is not a right. They've said the same thing about driving for decades...it's not a right...it's a privilege.

I'm sorry, but hate the TSA on facts, not hyperbole. This video of guilty of the same fearmongering it's accusing the TSA of.

fck off you idiot. The Constitution guarantees your right to interstate commerce. And in fact, there is USC explicitly enumerating your right to travel and access to air travel. (Imagine if they said blacks could fly, it is a privilege after all, not a right... as you say)

You really are stupid.

Also this isn't like "driving" because you are a passenger. Yes, having a pilot's license is a "privilege" not a right... just like having a state issue you a license to drive. Get a fucking clue moron.... Way to carry water for some Orwellian/fascist nonsense.

You may have a right to commerce..but you do NOT have a right to fly and/or drive.

two completely different things my friend.

Don't strawman. You can imagine all you want about what would happen if they said that about blacks...but they didn't.

This isn't Burger King...you don't have a right to "have it your way"

So true, flying is not a right, it's a privilege, just like leaving your house whenever you want or speaking your mind.

"America is now under martial law
Stay in your home
Do not attempt contact with loved ones,
insurance agents, or attorneys
Do not attempt to think or depression may occur
Stay in your homes
Curfew is at 7 p.m. sharp, after work
Anyone caught outside the gates of their
subdivision sectors after curfew, will be shot
Remain calm
Do not panic
Your neighborhood watch officer will be by
to collect urine samples in the morning
Anyone caught interferring with the collection
of urine samples will be shot
Stay in your homes
Remain calm
The number one enemy of progress is question
National security is more important than individual will
All sports broadcasts will proceed as normal
No more than two people may gather anywhere without permission
Use only the drugs prescribed by your boss or supervisor
Be happy
Obey all orders without question
Be happy
At last, everything is done for you"

>> ^VoodooV:

You may have a right to commerce..but you do NOT have a right to fly and/or drive.
two completely different things my friend.
Don't strawman. You can imagine all you want about what would happen if they said that about blacks...but they didn't.
This isn't Burger King...you don't have a right to "have it your way"


Rights aren't supposed to be enumerated. You have the right to do something first, the restriction is the exceptions that the laws usually address. Like always, the justification for the TSA lies in the "Necessary and Proper Clause" clause in addition to the commerce clause. Through those things will, and have, come the greatest threats to our liberties.

>> ^VoodooV:

You may have a right to commerce..but you do NOT have a right to fly and/or drive.
two completely different things my friend.
Don't strawman. You can imagine all you want about what would happen if they said that about blacks...but they didn't.
This isn't Burger King...you don't have a right to "have it your way"


This isn't just having it "our" way. It is the standard form of transportation in the United States...restricting it in such a way as to make it extremely trying isn't right. It would be roughly the same as confiscating your horse in the 18th century because you could use it to steal things and get away quicker. So you can say black and white that Flying does not equal commerce. However it can be argued quite easily that it absolutely is and that the pushback to the TSA is entirely valid.

In anything other than a Tyranny, those in power have the responsibility to show why they have that power. The burden in a free society is completely on the people with power and we're allowed to challenge it. If they don't have a suitable reason than that center of power must be dismantled. In this case if the TSA fails to provide good reasoning (which is currently happening) than they must be disbanded.

Get bent. THis isn't some fascist regime. Freedom to travel is not a "privilege" and it scares me that Orwellian nutjobs like yourself promote these ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law

I'll look up the US Code that specifically deals with air travel. Ask yourself this then, since you think it's a driver's license. Why not restrict felons? Why not restrict non-citizens from flying? Why not make it that you have to be over 40 to fly? Hmm? Why don't we do these things if it is just like driving, you fucking lunatic.

Janet Napolitano (mentioned in the video) is the United States Secretary of Homeland Security in the administration of President Barack Obama. These new advances in "security procedures" are a direct result of her leadership, and being that she's part of the Obama Administration it links back to him just as Tom Ridge linked back to Bush.

usually I think about baseball, but I guess this could work too.