This autism horseshit has been debunked so many times it goes beyond the inane to attempt to cling to it. There is no link whatsoever from autism to vaccines. Not getting your kid vaccinated will do nothing but hurt them as it makes them vulnerable to diseases that can kill or hurt them severely, to say nothing of keeping the disease alive when it should be GONE. If you want to subscribe to the idiocy and not get vaccinated by all means, do that. But it is my opinion that not getting your children vaccinated is harmful to the point of child abuse, exactly like those "Christian Scientists" who refuse medical treatment for their children and depend on prayer. Drink your conspiracy kool-aide, leave your kids out of it.

>> ^RadHazG:
This autism horseshit has been debunked so many times it goes beyond the inane to attempt to cling to it. There is no link whatsoever from autism to vaccines. Not getting your kid vaccinated will do nothing but hurt them as it makes them vulnerable to diseases that can kill or hurt them severely, to say nothing of keeping the disease alive when it should be GONE. If you want to subscribe to the idiocy and not get vaccinated by all means, do that. But it is my opinion that not getting your children vaccinated is harmful to the point of child abuse, exactly like those "Christian Scientists" who refuse medical treatment for their children and depend on prayer. Drink your conspiracy kool-aide, leave your kids out of it.


yer high dude...there's living fucking proof in the flesh still smarter than you iffn ya wanna come over to my place....

*fear *long

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Oh...sorry long and fear...yer fear, not mine baby....how bout a vote one way or the other there Gee-oh

and to lend creedence to non-conspiratorial domain concerning the "yes or no" of vaccines??...Fuck monsanto, dow chemicals, and a fear-driven Rorschach of a comment....talk about yer conspiracies....i breath air and procreate-YOU DONE THAT LATELY!??

vaccines are for the developmentally disabled...eat well, breath unpolluted air, and join the past from yer family tree the world of survival of he fucking fittest......otherwise...give yer kids all the shots they tell ya, no worse off for the wear you'll be because of whatever decision you decide to go with....NOT HAVING ALLL THE INFORMATION...ya dumb motherfucklers who are not you!

(how's that for no ad-hom regarding people who shit on my posts, dagmar?)

Uhh....folks who inject their infants with a concoction they have no possible way of knowing the properties of and how he same affects their central nervous systems (or whatever other systems they give a fuck or know all there is to about) are morons, bottom line.

"Mix it with rat poison, and it will help you live!!!"

Go fuck yourselves and have a healthy, happy family.

autisms' an adjunct to poisons inserted into the body to cure whatever the fuck they say you need....."Get good genes, and fuck a vaccine."

>> ^RadHazG:
This autism horseshit has been debunked so many times it goes beyond the inane to attempt to cling to it. There is no link whatsoever from autism to vaccines. Not getting your kid vaccinated will do nothing but hurt them as it makes them vulnerable to diseases that can kill or hurt them severely, to say nothing of keeping the disease alive when it should be GONE. If you want to subscribe to the idiocy and not get vaccinated by all means, do that. But it is my opinion that not getting your children vaccinated is harmful to the point of child abuse, exactly like those "Christian Scientists" who refuse medical treatment for their children and depend on prayer. Drink your conspiracy kool-aide, leave your kids out of it.


"Eugenics...it's not just a cure, it's a way of life"

oh and Christian Scientists??...the hardcore ones??...They refuse aspirin and stiches...y stereotypin' poser.....refute the refuters with tomes of datum...adinfinitum, I had a full battery of the needles and look at me now!?....oh..ok, point taken, I'm smart and as fast as a fucking brand new roller- coaster on opening day at Coney in 1920.

The video is definitely on the alarmist side of things, therefore the fear.>> ^choggie:
Oh...sorry long and fear...yer fear, not mine baby....how bout a vote one way or the other there Gee-oh

oh I can completely dig the fear tag brother-I'd be scared if I weren't incensed at the majority of my fellow apes....

Great post Choggie

>> ^RadHazG:
This autism horseshit has been debunked so many times it goes beyond the inane to attempt to cling to it. There is no link whatsoever from autism to vaccines. Not getting your kid vaccinated will do nothing but hurt them as it makes them vulnerable to diseases that can kill or hurt them severely, to say nothing of keeping the disease alive when it should be GONE. If you want to subscribe to the idiocy and not get vaccinated by all means, do that. But it is my opinion that not getting your children vaccinated is harmful to the point of child abuse, exactly like those "Christian Scientists" who refuse medical treatment for their children and depend on prayer. Drink your conspiracy kool-aide, leave your kids out of it.


Someone needs to pull out a chemistry book, and their head out of the sand... When you've walked into a Dr's office with a perfectly healthy, happy baby doing the "right thing" as instructed, as a good parent does, and the result is something anything but healthy, then, and only then do you get to judge in such black and white narrow minded terms my friend. Get off your soapbox and look around and realize there's possibly a gray area, 100% safe simply does not exist, period...

great post chogster.
my inner anarchist is pleased.

I don't know anything about the autism correlation or cause.

But I do know mercury is fuck shit dangerous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28element%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal#Allergies

There is no convincing evidence that thiomersal is a factor in the onset of autism.[17]

The U.S. federal government agreed to award damages in one case, to a girl with a mitochondrial enzyme deficiency who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines,[20] some of which contained thiomersal.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/358/20/2089
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal#Allergies

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I think that many factors assist people staying in stasis regarding the development of their mind and person beyond their current state.

Many of these factors having nothing to do with conspiracy, but simply trying to reach the lowest common denominator. I guess the prime example that comes to mind is TV. The vast majority of the airtime is for entertainment or to sell you things, not to broaden your mind. I must admit that I don't watch TV anymore, but I have a few weaknesses for a few shows that I'll watch online and Videosift allows me a peek into that world (And yes, as soon as I get that side-business up and running, I'll become a charter member again.)

Fluoride has some benefit, but only topical application has been proven useful for adults. The main argument for children is that it becomes part of their adult teeth which makes them stronger. I don't mind the fluoride treatment at the dentist's office. HA... I remember a great laugh I had when I went to a new dentist. The assistant said they were going to do a fluoride treatment to which I responded, "I listen to late night AM radio. You're not going to get me with your mind control!" The look on her face was simply precious. I let her know that I was joking and we moved on. Putting that aside, I tend to avoid fluoride outside of the dentist's office. Oh I just did a google search... I use a Brita filter and looks that that doesn't remove it at all. Well, I'll look into that later.

I remember when I was talking with a counselor several years ago, he was surprised about how I was talking about wanting to actively work on growing more mentally and emotionally mature. He said he had been a counselor for many years and this was a common occurrence back in the 60s and 70s, but these days most people only go the the counselor when they have something "broken" that they have to fix. An emotional triple-bypass, if you will.

As for vaccines, I don't care for them much, but I had them forced down my throat in the military. Luckily, I was able to get out of the anthrax vaccine because they ran out and then the 3 marine guys were successful in temporarily halting it because it was never approved by the FDA. I don't think I've had a vaccine since I've got out. I'm not dead set against them, but mercury isn't a good thing for you. I'm sure a small bit would be fine, but the amount and frequency of vaccine shots people/children are supposed to get these days surely can't be good. If it was something dangerous and I was going into an area known for it or if their was an outbreak - I'd take it. But I'm personally against the yearly flu vaccine.

There's so much wharrgarbl going on in there I almost popped a blood vessel.

Contrary to the "Idiocracy" belief that our society is being "dumbed down", as it were (and, believe me, I still find myself saying this is the case) evidence suggests the opposite is the case. In first world nations across the globe intelligence quotients are rising (and plateauing in some cases, while minority's IQs are still rising), and belief in silly religions and superstitions are falling.

Yes there is Mercury in Thimersol, but it isn't the horrific kind.
Bad Mercury: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylmercury
Thimersol Mercury: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury

The key words there are "Bioaccumulate": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioaccumulate

For a look at the whole "Vaccines/Thimersol causes Autism" wharrgarbl, I rebuke with a video I posted to the sift a while back: http://videosift.com/video/Do-Vaccines-Cause-Autism-A-Detailed-Examination

Oh, and hey! How about the fact that Dr. Wakefield, the father of the whole Vaccine/Autism debacle with his article published in The Lancet was discredited finally!

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/02/and-now-the-antivax-failure-is-complete-the-lancet-withdraws-wakefields-paper/

As for the whole "Flouride" wharrgarbl I'd just recommend reading the Wiki's Article on Water Flouridation, in particular this section right around paragraph 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation#Ethics_and_politics

(Emphasis mine)

"Conspiracy theories involving fluoridation are common, and include claims that fluoridation was motivated by protecting the U.S. atomic bomb program from litigation, that (as famously parodied in the film Dr. Strangelove) it is part of a Communist or New World Order plot to take over the world, that it was pioneered by a German chemical company to make people submissive to those in power, that behind the scenes it is promoted by the sugary food or phosphate fertilizer or aluminum industries, or that it is a smokescreen to cover failure to provide dental care to the poor.[19] One such theory is that fluoridation was a public-relations ruse sponsored by fluoride polluters such as the aluminum maker Alcoa and the Manhattan Project, with conspirators that included industrialist Andrew Mellon and the Mellon Institute's researcher Gerald J. Cox, the Kettering Laboratory of the University of Cincinnati, the Federal Security Agency's administrator Oscar R. Ewing, and public-relations strategist Edward Bernays.[84] Specific antifluoridation arguments change to match the spirit of the time.[85]"


The video is right; let's get the facts. And if your facts only support your "New World Order", "omfg they're trying to control our minds" nonsense, well then, those are your "facts". There's a funny thing about why smart people believe weird things; read about it in Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things". It showed me the error of some of my foolish beliefs as well.

And I'm at the point where I wonder why I bother doing this, I'm talking to walls and making friends with no one. I guess I just care too much about seeing fear mongering bullshit like this peddled as if it has any rational backing whatsoever.

http://christophersisk.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/thestupiditburns.jpg

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yer not talking to walls brother, yer percolatin' the grinds-the message here is do it because you know, not because of what you think you are being told is right!"

the tags are designed to raise hackles and consciousness....not to warn you of the dangers of learning everything there is to know!

but fucking flouride in my water??....gimme a fucking break! Swallow a mouthful of yer favorite toothpaste and hold yer fucking groceries!! Listen to yer body, tooth-helpers are poison..fluoride ones!...give and take dude....teach yer kids not to swallow!

Whether this video is bullshit or not. The fact remains that 1 out of every 110 children born has autism. That is unacceptable. So what is the cause if not fluoride in the drinking or vaccines?? I find it hard to believe this is natural. Anyone of you geniuses disputing the video have an answer?

Raigen,

I think this video has more to do with plutocracy and mass media craziness than it has to do with the contents of the video.

People may be getting smarter, but it sure as hell doesn't appear that way where it matters most, politicians.

Duckman:
While your statistic is accurate according to the CDC, that is in reference to Autism Spectrum Disorder; there are varying degrees of the disorder, and not every child diagnosed has that severe Autism that everyone is so on edge about. Yes, having the disorder is bad in and of itself, but there are varying levels of the disorder. Here's a list of statistics on the prevalence of types of PDDs from the Autism Society of Canada's website:

"Prevalence of specific PDDs

* CDD Rare: ~ 0.2 in 10,000= ~ 500 Canadians
* Rett's Rare: ~ 1 in 10,000= ~ 3,150 Canadians
* Autistic Disorder: ~ 20 in 10,000= ~ 73,000 Canadians
* PDD-NOS: ~ 15 in 10,000= ~ 47,000 Canadians
* Asperger's: ~ 5 in 10,000= ~ 15,000 Canadians

Reference:
Fombonne, E., 2003: Modern Views of Autism, Can. J. Psychiatry, 48:503-505.
Fombonne, E., 2003: Epidemiology of autism and other pervasive developmental disorders: an update. J. Autism.Dev. Disord. 33:365-381\"

http://www.autismsocietycanada.ca/asd_research/research_prevalence/index_e.html

Why are the levels of Autism increasing? A very good explanation could be the same reason the levels of diagnosis on other diseases seems to spike with the progression of medical science: We get better at diagnosing illnesses.

If something is causing the disorders to become more common in children, and the public at large, it will be discovered, but at this point there is not sufficient evidence to suggest that anything in our vaccines or our drinking water is creating a neurological disorder epidemic. The burden of proof lies on those who claim it is "not natural", just like those who say God created the Cosmos. For all we know right now it could be natural, and we have just never realized it before.

But, to paraphrase Tim Minchin: "If you can show me how it works and why it works I will spin on a fucking dime, and I'll be embarrased as all hell, but I will admit it with evidence, and I will take a compass and carve "fancy that" on the side of my cock."

NordlichReiter:
I completely agree with you that it doesn't appear that way with our politicians, nor does the mass media help in anyway with the preponderance of getting celebrities to pitch in their own "opinions" on the current state of affairs within our societies. To go back to the Anti-Vax nonsense, Jenny McCarthy is a perfect example; she believes her "mommy instinct" trumps all known medical science and evidence, and now it appears her kid never even had Autism in the first place, but an entirely different neurological disorder:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1967796-1,00.html


>> ^Duckman33:
Whether this video is bullshit or not. The fact remains that 1 out of every 110 children born has autism. That is unacceptable. So what is the cause if not fluoride in the drinking or vaccines?? I find it hard to believe this is natural. Anyone of you geniuses disputing the video have an answer?

>> ^Duckman33:
Whether this video is bullshit or not. The fact remains that 1 out of every 110 children born has autism. That is unacceptable. So what is the cause if not fluoride in the drinking or vaccines?? I find it hard to believe this is natural. Anyone of you geniuses disputing the video have an answer?


The proper response to such a question is to FUND THE RESEARCH TO FIND THE ANSWER, not merely declare that it must be vaccines or fluoride. With sufficient funding, you can probably get an answer in 20-50 years...and maybe a solution sometime before the human race goes extinct...maybe not.

Proclaiming that we must have an answer, so we're going to blame vaccines is just fucking stupid. Sorry, but there's just no other term for it.

Another way to look at it would be to decide, "Fuck it. Vaccines have their benefits which far outweigh the dangers and the few who will suffer as a result of the poisons contained therein." This is surly the sentiments of the companies which manufacture them and are impervious to any real trauma, blowback, or litigation.....

What ever happened to let the planet cull the weak links from the genetic pool, eh??

^Choggie, that ended when technology took over the progression of our evolution on this planet. We, as human beings, are no longer part and parcel of "Natural Selection". Or else people like me would not be here still walking, talking and breathing; I would've died years ago due to complications with Diabetes had there not have been advances in medical science to treat it.

Our compassion for each other to keep us alive and well keep us from being "naturally selected" and it is a good thing too; think of all the minds that could be lost to us without medical science and its achievements. I always use Stephen Hawking as a good example of this.

Trial and error, failure and success: Everyone is right when they say no treatment can be 100% effective, but if we don't keep trying, we'll never get there one day.

>> ^choggie:
Another way to look at it would be to decide, "Fuck it. Vaccines have their benefits which far outweigh the dangers and the few who will suffer as a result of the poisons contained therein." This is surly the sentiments of the companies which manufacture them and are impervious to any real trauma, blowback, or litigation.....
What ever happened to let the planet cull the weak links from the genetic pool, eh??

The number of cases hasn't technically "risen", we've just gotten better at diagnosing it. Previously autism was sometimes diagnosed as ADHD or was put down as other reasons.
Also, just because autism happens to be diagnosed at around the same time most children get their vaccines doesn't mean one causes the other. You're the one afraid of the sky falling, the rest of us will go on doing what we do best. Ignoring your insane chatter and conspiracy theories. Reality dictates itself, not your bewildering interpretation of it.

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