Well fuck me sideways...

Until the moment the universe stops expanding, or until the moment when monkeys fly out of my butt (whichever comes first of course) this will remain a pack of *lies.

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>> ^therealblankman:

Until the moment the universe stops expanding, or until the moment when monkeys fly out of my butt (whichever comes first of course) this will remain a pack of lies.


I'd say "lies" does not apply here since all the so-called PMMs in here, like the description more or less states are using an external source of energy: earths gravity.
So technically, they are not PMMs.

edit: Wait... I just destroyed my own argument... "lies" applies since they are not PMMs.

>> ^TheGenk:

>> ^therealblankman:
Until the moment the universe stops expanding, or until the moment when monkeys fly out of my butt (whichever comes first of course) this will remain a pack of lies.

I'd say "lies" does not apply here since all the so-called PMMs in here, like the description more or less states are using an external source of energy: earths gravity.
So technically, they are not PMMs.
edit: Wait... I just destroyed my own argument... "lies" applies since they are not PMMs.

Hmmm... you might want to re-think the whole "Gravity being used as an external source of energy" thing. That's not what's happening here as gravity can not be used in such a sense. You can certainly use gravity as a way of converting potential energy into kinetic energy, but such energy is always quickly dissipated as heat. The classic example of this is having a mass at the top of a ramp and releasing that stored energy by allowing the mass to roll down that ramp. Once that mass reaches the bottom of the ramp, with perhaps a few oscillations until the energy is completely expended, then that's it- the "machine" comes to a complete halt and all the energy is spent. These machines in the video seek to return the mass to the top of the ramp over and over again without using outside energy to do so, and without losing any energy within the system itself, which is impossible.

@therealblankman:
Ah yes, you're right.
So, it's more of an efficiency thing. Losing the least amount of excess energy provided by the first push to complete one cycle.

Anyways it stands as before, they are not PMMs.

You can't win, you can't break even and you can't quit the game.

You can however troll a whole lot of people with some strategically-placed motors and pumps.

Would you even need pumps or motors in this case? We don't see any of them operate long enough to prove they can overcome friction and other forces to keep in motion as we only see them for a very short time.
The train one stuck me as odd, even on first viewing, as it seemed the green line was made to make you think that was the level line, but it seemed to me to be slanted down some, using the grain and a slightly tilted camera to make it look like it was going uphill...

>> ^Mammaltron:

You can't win, you can't break even and you can't quit the game.
You can however troll a whole lot of people with some strategically-placed motors and pumps.

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>> ^RFlagg:

Would you even need pumps or motors in this case? We don't see any of them operate long enough to prove they can overcome friction and other forces to keep in motion as we only see them for a very short time.
The train one stuck me as odd, even on first viewing, as it seemed the green line was made to make you think that was the level line, but it seemed to me to be slanted down some, using the grain and a slightly tilted camera to make it look like it was going uphill...
>> ^Mammaltron:
You can't win, you can't break even and you can't quit the game.
You can however troll a whole lot of people with some strategically-placed motors and pumps.



In the "Uphill Train" example you're missing the fact that there are two ramps at play, one steep and one shallow. The shallow ramp is the wooden ramp with the green lines which does indeed run uphill, but the "downhill" ramp is the double-cone "train" itself. Once it reaches the bottom of the hill (the outside tips of the cones) that's the end of the ramp, and the energy is depleted. The mass is not in fact running uphill at all, the net movement is still downhill. Follow?