Pascal's Wager Debunked?

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Published on Sep 10, 2013


Pascal's Wager is the argument that states that you should believe in God even if there is a strong chance that he might not be real, because the penalty for not believing, namely going to hell, is so undesirable that it is more prudent to take our chances with belief. BLOODY MARY BLOODY MARY BLOODY MARY!!!



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SevenFingerssays...

But isn't the "true test" about being a good person, even if you don't believe? To me, hell is a state of mind. You only live in the hell you think you are in. Some people get trapped in there, and need help finding a way out, sometimes God is the answer. I don't believe in God, but I do believe in good actions.

I don't know where I was going with this.

criticalthudsaid:

the argument/wager does not follow. Whether you believe in god has nothing to do with whether you believe a penalty exists for not doing so.

VoodooVsays...

it's a bullshit situation regardless of how you slice it. If god is the absolute judge of "good/evil" and "right/wrong" then if you believe only because you fear the consequences of hell (which is pretty much every believer in a fear-based religion such as Christianity) then god is going to see right through that and send you to hell anyway,

Meanwhile if you stick to your principles and adhere to rationality and are a non-believer, then here you got the situation where God has to say "hey here's a guy who doesn't worship me, but hey, he's true to his beliefs and using the brain I gave him" If he sends him to hell anyway, then he's an immoral god, simple as that.

These are the core problems of any fear based religion where threat of hell is the primary motivator. It just leads to a bunch of assholes who think they're kissing their gods ass, but if there really was a god, he's send them straight to hell for doing it solely to avoid hell, not because of true belief. For a true believer, hell would be irrelevant, he'd do it because he wants to do it, not because of the consequences.

Which leads to the argument that in reality, every single person would be sent to hell, because every believer is doing it because of the consequences.

No matter how you look at it, it's an immoral system. Human morality surpassed biblical morality a long time ago. Just gotta remind people of that. The more people actually read the bible, the more that will happen.

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