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Very wise ending

Outstanding analysis.

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Good points until the whole police thing.

There are some bad apples like Tony Baloney, but don't generalize them like the news networks generalize OWS as hippes.

Fact is, if you touch a cop in a threatening manner, they can legally take you down anyway they choose. I see people in videos shoving cops and think to myself, "Man, that guy is gonna get it rough." Sure enough, the cops jump on em.

@Edgeman2112

You think he's off about the police being a force to keep protesters in line? The only reason they come to these protests dressed in riot gear is because they want to intimidate people from interfering with the economy. That is the police forces #1 objective during any civil demonstration: Don't let any business lose money, or have its commerce disrupted. They are programmed to keep the machine running as normal. As long as you don't disrupt the economy, you can do whatever you want.

Yeah, there are a few bad apples which take the intimidation way too far, but even the most sympathetic cop there, one who might even be part of the protests were he not an officer, is still responsible for maintaining the flow of money for business in the area. He will still arrest you if you block traffic or store fronts, or speak out loudly and openly against any business or institution which the police are indebted to, or make any statements that threaten to cause a loss of financial stability for the state or country.

This is a fact, not a generalization, and in that light all police are guilty of this.

I disagree.

OWS is a protest. It's peaceful. Many large scale protests are not. The job of the police is to serve and to protect everyone, not to serve and protect some. They dress in riot gear in the event things go crazy. Police can't afford to pick and choose which protests they feel are threatening or not.

And even if it were true that their number 1 job is to protect the economy, there is nothing wrong with that unless you're some sort of anarchist. If I owned a small business, I can't hire guards to protect it from some a small rogue band of violent protesters should some come to surface. It's my property and I have rights, and you're complaining that the cops are protecting that? Gimme a break.

Blocking traffic and store fronts is not within your right to do. If I can't get into my home, what am i supposed to do? Also, there haven't been any arrests that you can prove are based on people speaking out against institutions police are indebted to. Stop making wild claims. If you refer to the whole Chase bank fiasco, you're incorrect.

If the word comes down to shift those people from WallStreet or wherever it'll be the Police doing the shifting. They are the muscle, they also enforce the law. I don't think they are mutually exclusive.#

But here we arguing the metaphor. The shill won't be obvious to all unfortunately, its obvious to us because we already knew the game was rigged. I hope OWS changed some minds.

Let's see. This week alone there have been complaints (by the OWS crowd mind you) for the following things... Theft of personal property, arrests of people disrupting businesses, unsanitary conditions, public sex, voyerism, and one accused rape. OWS people have been filmed threatening others, making racist rants against jews, and bullying people who ask them simple questions.

And this guy says anyone who doesn't 'get them' is just part of some mysterious, invisible 'system' trying to keep them down. Whatever keeps you jazzed, I guess. But at some point the OWS crowd is going to have to accept that there is no man behind the curtain trying to crush them and keep the public from understanding the message that even this guy says is too vague to make any sense. They're doing a perfectly good job of alienating the public all on thier own.

What's this guy done since Ally McBeal?

The only thing you proved is there are idiots in every crowd. You know, like the Tea Party guy with the sign that said, "Keep your gov't hands off my Medicare!"

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Let's see. This week alone there have been complaints (by the OWS crowd mind you) for the following things... Theft of personal property, arrests of people disrupting businesses, unsanitary conditions, public sex, voyerism, and one accused rape. OWS people have been filmed threatening others, making racist rants against jews, and bullying people who ask them simple questions.
And this guy says anyone who doesn't 'get them' is just part of some mysterious, invisible 'system' trying to keep them down. Whatever keeps you jazzed, I guess. But at some point the OWS crowd is going to have to accept that there is no man behind the curtain trying to crush them and keep the public from understanding the message that even this guy says is too vague to make any sense. They're doing a perfectly good job of alienating the public all on thier own.

(Amount of people at OWS) x (% of gen. populace that are low lives) = the amount of low lives at OWS>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Let's see. This week alone there have been complaints (by the OWS crowd mind you) for the following things... Theft of personal property, arrests of people disrupting businesses, unsanitary conditions, public sex, voyerism, and one accused rape. OWS people have been filmed threatening others, making racist rants against jews, and bullying people who ask them simple questions.
And this guy says anyone who doesn't 'get them' is just part of some mysterious, invisible 'system' trying to keep them down. Whatever keeps you jazzed, I guess. But at some point the OWS crowd is going to have to accept that there is no man behind the curtain trying to crush them and keep the public from understanding the message that even this guy says is too vague to make any sense. They're doing a perfectly good job of alienating the public all on thier own.

The only thing you proved is there are idiots in every crowd.

This is certainly true. I in no way mean to imply that the offenses were representative of "all OWS participants". Obviously not all OWS people are doing these kinds of things. But there is enough of it going on though that it is becoming a serious issue with how the public views OWS as a whole.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/angry_manhattan_residents_lambast_RjpTU0jG2z9yrgf5o4bRcO#ixzz1bPHgxmGZ

Manhattan residents are sick of them. The data shows that the OWS is vastly different in ideological and demographic makeup than average voters. This is very different from the Tea Party, which solidly reflects actual American voters...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-Fairly-Mainstream-Demographics.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_cont
ent=morelink&utm_term=Politics

Really - when an 'average person' encounters the OWS movement, it is like walking into the Star Wars Cantina. We hike up an eyebrow and think, "Who the heck are THESE guys?" The average American has a family, a job, and social obligations. He doesn't want to ditch all that to go camp out in a filthy tent-city with a bunch of noisy, disaffected college kids. The average American has a 401K, investments, and other property. They don't want to blow up Wall Street. They just want Wall Street to no longer be the beneficiary of government favoritism - which is a GOVERNMENT problem, not a Wall Street problem. The average person has far more in common with the Tea Party than with OWS.

OWS doesn't want a specific message because that means they'd have to defend a position. When anyone comes at them and tries to have an actual discussion, they dive back into the tall grass of being a 'vague movement' with nothing but vagueries and sloganeering. The average american demands better than that. OWS is never going to be anything but a fringe group unless they can come up with a specific message.

Now, this vid bozo seems quite proud of the fact that they have no real message beyond "we are the 99%" and "we don't like Wall Street!" Well, that's fine. Most Americans are 'mad' at Wall Street if you only keep the topic vague, undefined, and ephemeral. The problem is that OWS is using that vague, ephemeral, nebulous "we're mad at Wall Street" message and saying that it means "most of America" agrees with the OWS movement. That is blatantly false, because while both OWS and 'average americans' can both agree on that generalization, they are as different as night and day when you actually get down to any specifics.

And that really is the problem for OWS. When the rubber meets the road and these yahoos try to actually build a REAL movement (as opposed to just a tent city of malcontents) then the effort falls apart because you can't build a large movement without a specific message. And the INSTANT that any of the OWS movement ever coughs up any specifics on what they want, then they drive away average folks like me like they were plutonium.

@Winstonfield_Pennypacker
well said my friend.you just succinctly put in to perspective americas older generations view on OWS and the disconnect between "the tea party" and 'OWS".
now there really is no disconnect,not really,the disconnect lies in semantics only.
the tea party viewed government as being the intruder while OWS views wall street but i submit they are one in the same.both working to keep the institutions and concentration of power and money in the same hands to the detriment of the populace and they have become so entrenched and corrupted that neither can function without the other and always,ALWAYS it is the most vulnerable who are left to drown.

(i say lets take private monies out of public elections.that would be a great start)

you state the "average american" has a 401k,property etc etc.
this is true if you are retired or near retirement but this is no longer the case and has not been for many years.hence the disconnect between the older and younger generations,yet both generations are angry and upset and are starting to make some noise.i find this to be a very good thing (the noise,not the disconnect).

but i do disagree with you on "finding a specific message".the tea party started out organically and as people related to the shared feeling of frustration and outrage.they found a message, they began to come together and then what happened?
they became corporately sponsored ie:koch brothers.
and their message became a weird amalgam of frustration and palinisms and what was once a movement that was beginning to be heard became co-opted in to a politicians wet-dream of free publicity.

so i say keep the non-distinct yet palpable rage and keep the message broad and inclusive because as history teaches us:if the powerful cant beat ya.
they will co-opt ya.
(before they kill ya).

i hope those who rallied with the tea party will join hands with those in wall street (and italy,greece and ireland) and make such a ruckus that they make politicians pee themselves in fear.
because the only thing a government,crown,caliphate or grand poo-ba is afraid of are people coming to their door-step enmasse.see:end of vietnam war.

the tea party viewed government as being the intruder while OWS views wall street but i submit they are one in the same

I agree. There are some areas of real common ground that exist between these two very different groups. I have always maintained that OWS - as a group - is simply mad at the wrong target. They really should pull up thier camps right now and decend on Washington DC.

But the problem is as I stated above. The Tea Party is comprised of 'average people' that go across the spectrum. OWS is composed mostly of college students who favor leftist causes. Mixing 'average america' with 'angry, left-wing college students' it is like mixing oil and water. They may have a couple points of commonanlity, but they are very different in many other respects and start diverging rapidly. For example - OWS is being supported by the Communist Party as well as National Socialists (yeah Nazis). The average american can't and does NOT want to have anything to do with such radicals, but the OWS crowd seems OK with them.

I hope those who rallied with the tea party will join hands with those in wall street (and italy,greece and ireland) and make such a ruckus that they make politicians pee themselves in fear.

That is simply going to be impossible when the OWS guys keep behaving badly. The Tea Party wants nothing to do with the hedonism, radicalism, and other shenanigans that OWS accepts as par for the course. That's what I mean when I say OWS is never going to go anywhere until they clean up thier act.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

The only thing you proved is there are idiots in every crowd.
This is certainly true. I in no way mean to imply that the offenses were representative of "all OWS participants". Obviously not all OWS people are doing these kinds of things. But there is enough of it going on though that it is becoming a serious issue with how the public views OWS as a whole.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082
965745362.html


Seriously? The Wall Street Journal is the source you're citing to show how the public views the Occupy Wall Street movement?

How can this "tea party" be the same thing that OWS people are standing up for?

For a start, this tea party as far as i can tell only exists in america (at the very least i have no idea of it in britain).. occupy wall street was just the start of a wealth of feeling that has been building for years, world-wide. In britain, the amount of people turning up to vote each year has been decreasing to the point where in early 2000's if all the non-voters and ballot spoilers had decided to show up and vote for one person, they'd have won by a landslide. That's a pretty significant point in a democracy if you ask me. The majority were silent and united in their dissatisfaction and perhaps that's why they've decided to stop being silent now. But they know you can't beat them at politics because THEY INVENTED THE GAME. They have the money, the rules, the experience. It is not just wall street that is being occupied anymore, the world is involved.

I'd say it's an internet-made phenomenon and we owe a big deal to the internet for providing us with the truth, but also a melting pot for all of us to express our unhappiness together. It networks intelligent people from around the world - meaning the intelligent people who understand politics/economics get to team up with intelligent people who know how to express things clearly; resulting in wonderfully succinct and expressive videos such as this one.

I think you may have missed the point if you think that occupying WALL STREET is the wrong target. This is not as narrow as you think it is. You've looked at OWS and taken from it that which you are most familiar. But as the guy in this video said; it is the perfect choice of target. It is a target that everyone can get behind, it doesn't count anyone out - it is exactly as broad as it needs to be to get everyone to realise we're after the same thing and on the same side. The politicians know that they are as much in the firing line as occupy wall street, believe me. They may even try to distract people by attacking wall street themselves at some point, or offer us a compromise that doesn't affect the status quo.

The best thing you can do is redouble your effort to understand why people are doing what they're doing, because i don't think you've quite got it. And if you still can't get it, then (again) as the guy says; you aren't MEANT to get it.

Politics has made me sick throughout my life, from a relatively young age i was intelligent enough to understand that i was being lied to every term. Later, i learned how money is dictating cancerous policies, standing in the way of human progress. I've despaired that the world is stagnant - we have no aim, no goal, our education system has been weakened and watered down, businesses that once were started by a person like me or you turned into heartless machines. We're stuck on a rock floating in a void and we're spending our time shitting on each other, blinkered to the common goals that we might set our sights upon if only we could stop looking down at the person just below us on the ladder, fighting to stay above them.

I'm still relatively young and i've spent my young life getting angry about these things (and plenty more, believe me), and Occupy Everywhere is broad enough to snag my interest.

As far as a lot of young, angry people are concerned, this is finally a cause that interests them.

Edit:
The tea party, to me, looks like the middle generation's equivalent to Occupy. The major concerns of yesteryear for the people of yesteryear who didn't, in their youth, stand up and make themselves heard. Only had a quick look, though. It seems to be about tax, government spending and laws and such. Not good enough anymore. The new generation have realised that it's not just the policies and intricacies that are broken, the entire system of putting those things in place is broken.

I was always under the impression that the Tea Party was a group of individuals who don't know anything about history, don't understand how taxes work or that a society exists specifically to help the people in it, and are utterly terrified of Barack Obama. (for whatever reason)

Also, winston, i will be very surprised if you have met "most" of the people who agree with Occupy Everywhere. I will be even more surprised to find out that you haven't but you're going around stating that "they are mostly college students who favour leftist causes."

Not only is it a guess, but it is an irrelevant point - the group is more likely to be subscribed to by people who have to tolerate all the worst things about the current state of affairs. I mean, i wouldn't be surprised if there were no rich twats there, because they're the ones benefitting from things being how they're being.

Now, "left-wing and leftist generally refer to support for an egalitarian society" - this is straight from wikipedia which is the only source i am going to dignify you with (and it's a fine source for meanings of words anyway). Let me also paste you their definition of egalitarianism;

"Egalitarianism (from French égal, meaning "equal") is a trend of thought that favors equality of some sort among moral agents, whether persons or animals. Emphasis is placed upon the fact that equality contains the idea of equity of quality. That is, all people should be treated with the same dignity or be regarded as possessing the same intrinsic qualities despite our societal diversity of race, religion, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, gender expression, species, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, (dis)ability or cultural heritage."

Are you surprised that the people who are protesting about the current state of politics and the economy are people who want fairness and equality amongst human beings?

Are you telling me you do not? Because if you do, then i could quite easily call you a leftist cause supporter. All you're trying to do is cloud up the issue and try to make Occupy look like something it is not by labelling it with something that looks right but falls down under scrutiny. They are NOT leftist, they are the rational minds of millions of human beings that no longer want to be lied to, and they're working to make a better world for you even while you sit there trying to sabotage them.

Understand this; underneath politics and government, underneath the concept of money, we are all animals fighting for survival. We animals banded together into familiar groups, because we're pack animals, and we called them countries. To make things easier for ourselves, we put rules in place that everyone agreed upon - laws if you like - for the benefit of all of us. We had to entrust some people with the power of governing these things.

At some point, the basic principles of why we have countries and government were lost. Don't try and tell me, or anyone out there sleeping rough outside financial centres worldwide, that this is an unfair assessment.

Occupy Wall Street vs. The Tea Party

http://oi55.tinypic.com/dn22pt.jpg

The greatest threat to our economy is neither corporations nor the government. The greatest threat to our economy is both of them working together. There are currently two sizable coalitions of angry citizens that are almost on the same page about that, and they're too busy insulting each other to notice.

I couldn't give less of a fuck what this dude thinks about anything.

I was always under the impression that the Tea Party was a group of individuals who don't know anything about history, don't understand how taxes work or that a society exists specifically to help the people in it, and are utterly terrified of Barack Obama

That impression is a left-wing media construction that you would do well to disabuse yourself of immediately. "The TP is nothing but a bunch of angry, white racists" has been a meme of the left for over 2 years. The facts are diametrically opposed. The TP is composed of all bands of citizens, and thier message is simple. Vote for people - whoever they are - that will reduce government, balance the budget, and return the US to a path of fiscal responsibility. That's it.

Also, winston, i will be very surprised if you have met "most" of the people who agree with Occupy Everywhere. I will be even more surprised to find out that you haven't but you're going around stating that "they are mostly college students who favour leftist causes."

I watch the videos of the US OWS movement across a gamut of places. I've seen them post thier own vids. I've seen the videos that love them such as those on KOS, Underground, Huffington, et al. I've seen ones that makes fun of them on late night TV, daytime talk, and so forth. I've seen others that definitely dislike them such as on Brietbart, Newsbusters, et al. I've seen fawning stuff on national news, and other stuff more even-handed on Drudge. Of course I haven't met 'most' of them. I never claimed to. But I've seen enough of them to accurately get the feel of who they are and what they are. Regardless, see the link above that I already referenced. It simply repeats what I already knew to be the case by my own observations. All I do is repeat the facts. Don't like it? Prove you've got a better source....

Wikipedia...only source I'm going to dignify you with...

Aaaand - an epic fail...

The truth is that OWS is - for the most part - a clot of young, left-wingers. Sure there is a mix of 'other' in there too (as well as a lot of union astroturf, and other political hangers-on) but the backbone of the movement is leftist college kids. You don't have to like it, but that's just how it is. There's nothing 'wrong' with that per se. Not sure why you're so defensive about it. But it is conclusively true that OWS is not composed of a demographic representative of the U.S. public at large.

Dude, you quoted two Rupert Murdoch "news" organizations. Seriously, wtfbbq... Real nice diverse facts there to back you up. LOL...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

The only thing you proved is there are idiots in every crowd.
This is certainly true. I in no way mean to imply that the offenses were representative of "all OWS participants". Obviously not all OWS people are doing these kinds of things. But there is enough of it going on though that it is becoming a serious issue with how the public views OWS as a whole.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082
965745362.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/new
s/local/manhattan/angry_manhattan_residents_lambast_RjpTU0jG2z9yrgf5o4bRcO#ixzz1bPHgxmGZ
Manhattan residents are sick of them.