"In a risk-filled world, are democracies justified in turning to large-scale state surveillance, at home and abroad, to fight complex and unconventional threats? Or is the emergence of the surveillance state and the awesome powers it derives from information technology a new and pervasive threat to our basic freedoms? For some the answer is obvious: the threats more than justify the current surveillance system, and the laws and institutions of democracies are more than capable of balancing the needs of individual privacy with collective security. For others, we are in peril of sacrificing to state surveillance and exaggerated terrorist threats the civil liberties that guarantee citizens’ basic freedoms. To engage this global debate our spring 2014 contest pits Michael Hayden and Alan Dershowitz, against Glenn Greenwald and Alexis Ohanimoves as they move the motion: Be it resolved state surveillance is a legitimate defence of our freedoms..." - Munk debates
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MrFiskGets started about the 25-minute mark.
lurgeeEdward Snowden's video for this debate https://vimeo.com/93670344
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9547bisSummary on Ars Technica.
Trancecoach"our freedoms"
Well, when you put it that way...
They should have a debate about, what are "our freedoms" anyway?
chingaleraFreedoms are what we say they are and what we are willing to claim for ourselves. Laws are for morons and apes...domesticated primates.
Here's one I heard second-hand about the other day as reported early today by:
http://austriantribune.com/informationen/143636-nsa-allegedly-planted-beacons-servers-routers-and-other-network-gear-prior
Intercepting orders for servers, taking them to the Grinch-warehouse and outfitting them with virtually undetectable routing hardware, restoring the packaging material as it was and then sending them on to their 'customers.'
As the general here alludes to in his opener, the shit Snowden blew his whistle about resides in iceberg tips-If they reveal anything regarding the technology in place to keep track of ALL of humanity, military capabilities, breakthroughs in science or medicine etc., chances are good once the information gets to the masses the shits been around for quite some time.
What you think you know about their capabilities and the information hidden from the masses is old fucking news. The only meaningful question left is who are, "THEY?"
"our freedoms"
Well, when you put it that way...
They should have a debate about, what are "our freedoms" anyway?
kulpims*doublepromote
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cosmovitellisays...That Dershowitz guy is a total rat. He's the one who brought state power down on Norman Finkelstein.
He's a cynical, self serving dishonest psychopath playing at respectable academic.
It does not surprise me at all he's the MAN's choice to try to shout down Greenwald. Harvard's credibility is shot to pieces.
cosmovitellisays...Or in the other 9.5/10ths of the world.. 'have you thrown out all US sourced hardware yet?'
The only meaningful question left is who are, "THEY?"
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