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Well, she is anti-reason, so this follows quite naturally.

Whoa, Bachmann's really going for the highscore of crazy! May I suggest questioning the heliocentric view next?

>> ^hpqp:

Whoa, Bachmann's really going for the highscore of crazy! May I suggest questioning the heliocentric view next?


Hehe, high-score... love it.

Don't tempt her though, I'm sure she would question it if given a chance. After all Evolution is just a theory and every day she looks up at the sky and sees the sun and moon move across it. I mean, if the earth was actually rotating and careening across space at incredible speed, wouldn't we just fly off of it like kids on a park ride?

The heliocentric view follows the liberal agenda of defying and abolishing God. Therefore it has to be removed from school books and shall not be teached at universities.

>> ^Harzzach:

The heliocentric view follows the liberal agenda of defying and abolishing God. Therefore it has to be removed from school books and shall not be teached at universities.


Upvote for "teached."

Vaccination does not cause mental retardation.

The debate seems to attract more than it's share of retarded folks however.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^Harzzach:
The heliocentric view follows the liberal agenda of defying and abolishing God. Therefore it has to be removed from school books and shall not be teached at universities.

Upvote for "teached."

Arghll. Freudian slip

mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

>> ^ponceleon:

Well, she is anti-reason, so this follows quite naturally.


I don't think being anti-vaccine should be considered anti-reason. I'd like to say I'm against vaccines because I want their to be a LOT less people on this planet. We can make it happen if we believe!

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^ponceleon:
Well, she is anti-reason, so this follows quite naturally.

I don't think being anti-vaccine should be considered anti-reason. I'd like to say I'm against vaccines because I want their to be a LOT less people on this planet. We can make it happen if we believe!


Your ideas intrigue me sir, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter!

I've seen better videos of Michele Machmann making a fool of herself. Although she clearly opposes vaccinations for some reason, I believe her "official" stance in this video is to oppose the mandatory distribution of vaccinations. Which kind of makes sense. Making them widely available and forcing people to take them are two different things.

And this is how you crazy up making a good point about a political opponent passing legislation that will benefit specific companies he has close ties with.

Seriously she should have stopped at corporate shill, but I guess accusing a political figure of playing favorites with companies doesn't register on the crazy meters, so she had to go the, 'HE MANDATED INNOCENT GIRLS GET INJECTED WITH RETARDATION SERUM' route.

>> ^marinara:

mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.


A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.

You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?

No?

Then what you're saying is retarded.

That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.

Hear, Hear for herd immunization.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.

I think marinara was joking. Easy now, people.

Also... The argument that this woman's daughter had a vaccination then suffered retardation is nonsense.

I just farted.

Then a tram dinged its bell outside on the street.

ergo: My fart caused the tram outside to ding its bell.

there is exactly ZERO percent possibility that an injection of a vaccine can result in or even correlate with the symptoms of mental retardation.

None.
Zilch.
Nada.

nope not joking

Researchers at the University of Texas showed that the closer a family lives to a power plant or industrial facility, the higher the risk of autism. Autism rates decreased by 1 to 2 percent for every 10 miles that a child lives away from such mercury sources. They also found that for every 1000 pounds of mercury released by such facilities, autism rates in the surrounding area increased by 2.6 to 3.7 percent.

Dec. 11, 2003 -- To protect developing babies from high levels of potentially brain-damaging mercury, the government plans to warn women who are pregnant, nursing, or even considering having children to eat no more than two to three servings of fish each week. And for the first time, federal officials are making specific recommendations concerning tuna -- second only to shrimp as the most consumed seafood in the U.S.

>> ^Hanover_Phist:

I've seen better videos of Michele Machmann making a fool of herself. Although she clearly opposes vaccinations for some reason, I believe her "official" stance in this video is to oppose the mandatory distribution of vaccinations. Which kind of makes sense. Making them widely available and forcing people to take them are two different things.


Actually, this is a pretty good point and reminds me of a really interesting thing way back. I did residential work back in the day and I remember my first year I had a Christian Scientist who did not have any inoculations. His roommate totally freaked out and we ended up consulting the health services to find out what they thought about the situation and basically they said that it really wasn't a big deal because literally everyone around him was inoculated, so it wasn't like he was going to spontaneously generate plague from nowhere.

I suppose it would still be icky had he had traveled while on vacation and become exposed to something virulent, but given that everyone else had been inoculated, it probably wouldn't mean a total pandemic...

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?


You can tell me vaccinations are safe, but don't say mercury is safe. You do the truth a great disservice when you say things like that. Vaccinations are a great and wonderful thing, but they need to be administered with a healthy dose of education to be truly effective.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.


Again I say...So what? People want to talk about how lives matter soo much...they don't. Just die no one will miss you.

>> ^ponceleon:

>> ^Hanover_Phist:
I've seen better videos of Michele Machmann making a fool of herself. Although she clearly opposes vaccinations for some reason, I believe her "official" stance in this video is to oppose the mandatory distribution of vaccinations. Which kind of makes sense. Making them widely available and forcing people to take them are two different things.

Actually, this is a pretty good point and reminds me of a really interesting thing way back. I did residential work back in the day and I remember my first year I had a Christian Scientist who did not have any inoculations. His roommate totally freaked out and we ended up consulting the health services to find out what they thought about the situation and basically they said that it really wasn't a big deal because literally everyone around him was inoculated, so it wasn't like he was going to spontaneously generate plague from nowhere.
I suppose it would still be icky had he had traveled while on vacation and become exposed to something virulent, but given that everyone else had been inoculated, it probably wouldn't mean a total pandemic...


I was raised a Christian Scientist (not anymore) I never got any vaccinations. I've been to 4 continents in some of the worst...dankest places you could imagine. I'm fine, because people overreact about this sort of thing. There's a chance I could've died but there's also a chance I could get hit by a bus. I'm sick of people being such fucking pussies. Our bodies are pretty resilient, if we let them be.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.


There's a big difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it straight into the vein.

Do junkies eat heroin? Why the fuck do you think they go to the trouble of injecting smack, why don't they just eat it?
Hardly any mercury is absorbed through ingesting, like around .01%. So that would be 1/1000 of 17 micrograms actually absorbed or .0017 micrograms / 6oz can of tuna.

And what do we actually know about mercury? Well, we know it's HIGHLY toxic. Let's go to the wikipedia page for Mercury poisoning:

Mercury is such a highly reactive toxic agent that it is difficult to identify its specific mechanism of damage, and much remains unknown about the mechanism. It damages the central nervous system, endocrine system, kidneys, and other organs, and adversely affects the mouth, gums, and teeth. Exposure over long periods of time or heavy exposure to mercury vapor can result in brain damage and ultimately death. Mercury and its compounds are particularly toxic to fetuses and infants. Women who have been exposed to mercury in pregnancy have sometimes given birth to children with serious birth defects (see Minamata disease).

Mercury exposure in young children can have severe neurological consequences, preventing nerve sheaths from forming properly. Mercury inhibits the formation of myelin.
/source


And since we're at it, let's have a peak at Thiomersal's wikipedia page:

Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin, with a danger of cumulative effects. ...

Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.
/source

But you can keep talking out of your ass like you actually have a fucking clue. And keep shooting up your children with neurotoxins too, while mocking those that oppose forced inoculations.

BTW statist idiot, the video is referring to the HPV vaccine. Why do fucking 10 year olds need to be vaccinated for STDs?

You are truly a moron. I've tried not to say so, but you are. Your conspiracy theory videos and this retarded attack on immunisation just prove it.

Widespread vaccination has the potential to reduce cervical cancer deaths around the world by as much as two-thirds, if all women were to take the vaccine and if protection turns out to be long-term. In addition, the vaccines can reduce the need for medical care, biopsies, and invasive procedures associated with the follow-up from abnormal Pap tests, thus helping to reduce health care costs and anxieties related to abnormal Pap tests and follow-up procedures.
—American National Cancer Institute, [22]
(source)

Just when I think you can't get any dumber....

NO! Pitchforks, everyone!
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I think marinara was joking. Easy now, people.

@spoco2

Let me get this straight... A young kid gets vaccinated, suffers an adverse reaction to it which leads to "autism like" symptoms. And the vaccine did NOT cause autism? The kid was going to get autism anyway? Bullshit. You have no evidence to back up that position.

BTW, they can make mercury-free vaccines. So why do you statist idiots want to mandate everyone get blasted with neurotoxins?

And typical deflecting argument... you can't argue a position without blurring the debate with ad hominem static. What happened to your false analogy? Did you fart again? You must have if you thought HPV vaccines lower cervical cancer rates. And you're ignoring the unintended consequences of trying to vaccinate a relatively common STD that's usually harmless and goes away without treatment. How's that happen you say? Our body has it's own defense system that eliminates the virus. Maybe we should start vaccinating people for colds, you think? Then no one will have colds anymore!

Neil Miller: "Research has shown that when vaccines only target a small number of strains capable of causing disease, less prevalent strains can replace the targeted vaccine strains. These less prevalent strains graduate from minor factors to major influences and may even become more dangerous. Scientists are now concerned that Gardasil -- which only targets two of at least 15 different cancer-causing HPV strains -- might be allowing HPV strains previously considered minor to flourish and become major influences."

More from the article:
By February 2011, more than 20,500 adverse reaction reports pertaining to Gardasil were filed with the U.S. government -- an average of 12 reports per day [VAERS]. Nearly half of all reports required a doctor or emergency room visit, with hundreds of teenage girls and young women needing extended hospitalization.

In the case reports submitted to the FDA, 89 deaths were described due to blood clots, heart disease and other causes. In addition, many of the vaccine recipients -- young women -- were stricken with serious and life-threatening disabilities, including Guillain-Barre syndrome (paralysis), seizures, convulsions, swollen limbs, chest pain, heart irregularities, kidney failure, visual disturbances, arthritis, difficulty breathing, severe rashes, persistent vomiting, miscarriages, menstrual irregularities, reproductive complications, genital warts, vaginal lesions and HPV infection -- the main reason to vaccinate.

According to Dr. Diane Harper, director of the Gynecologic Cancer Prevention Research Group at the University of Missouri, 'The rate of serious adverse events [from Gardasil] is greater than the incidence rate of cervical cancer.' [ABC News (August 19, 2009).]

Gardasil is being promoted as 100 percent effective. However, this is a deceptive assessment of its true ability to protect against cervical cancer. Gardasil is effective against just two strains of cancer-causing HPV -- the ones included in the vaccine -- but researchers have identified at least 15 cancer-causing HPV strains!

Gardasil will not prevent infection with HPV types not contained in the vaccine. In fact, during clinical trials of the vaccine, hundreds of women who received Gardasil contracted HPV disease. Furthermore, the drug maker warns women (in its product insert) that 'vaccination does not substitute for routine cervical cancer screening.'
/source
In other words, your propaganda quote from the NCI is horseshit.

@marbles:

Let me get this straight... A young kid gets vaccinated, suffers an adverse reaction to it which leads to "autism like" symptoms. And the vaccine did NOT cause autism? The kid was going to get autism anyway? Bullshit. You have no evidence to back up that position.

Wait... they do have adverse reactions or they don't? You just contradicted yourself. I'm sure when the child gets a high fever or has a seizure, the parents are just making that shit up. That's the real conspiracy! All these parents are lying about their children, they want to bring back the black plague!

So again I'll ask: It's possible to make vaccines without mercury, so why do you authoritarian toads want to mandate vaccines with a HIGHLY toxic substance that we don't even fully understand how it's toxicity mechanism works? You people are insane.

"Think Twice" sounds like a good idea to any rational minded person.

And perfect, you can't dispute the facts--so just ignore them.>> ^spoco2:

@marbles:

Let me get this straight... A young kid gets vaccinated, suffers an adverse reaction to it which leads to "autism like" symptoms. And the vaccine did NOT cause autism? The kid was going to get autism anyway? Bullshit. You have no evidence to back up that position.

@marbles *sigh*, bad wording on my part. YES kids can suffer adverse reactions, but the vast majority don't, and usually the ones that do it's harmless really.

There is NOTHING to show that vaccines are triggering Autism though, NOTHING. It's all been shown to be bunk.

As stated, kids usually start showing signs of Autism around the same time they're getting vaccinations, so it's understandable that it could be mistaken for a cause and effect... but it's not, just two things happening close to each other.

And no, I really will not read anything written on a scientific subject by someone who believes in homoeopathy, it's not worth my time as I already know they lack even basic critically thinking ability.

@spoco2
You're not going to answer my question, are you.

@marbles, I don't really have to, if you read things other than your conspiracy blogs you might find the answers yourself:

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's. There is no convincing evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site.

However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.

Trust me @spoco2, I read plenty of sources. And I judge the content accordingly. I don't make the mistake of confirmation bias like some people.

The "Thiomersal-free" vaccines still contain other mercury compounds. It's like the government trying to call GMOs organic.

And they are still using Thiomersal in flu shots. So it's not a non-issue, doesn't matter anyway--you're a government tool. As long as the government says it's safe, you'll gladly stick yourself intravenously with a toxin that attacks your brain. Hey, you weren't using it anyway right?

>> ^marbles:

I don't make the mistake of confirmation bias like some people.

@marbles: Some logical, sane information about all of this: Michele Bachmann needles Perry on vaccinations

Two professional bio-medical ethicists/scientists are now offering money -- as much as $11,000 to Michelle Bachmann's campaign, for the medical proof to verify this outrageous claim regarding a vaccination gone bad. (It's my understanding that, if she is unable to "produce her victim," she will need to donate $10,000 to a pro-vaccination group.)

Bachmann's camp has had "no response" to this offer.

I for one, wish her luck! ;-)

>> ^Trancecoach:

there is exactly ZERO percent possibility that an injection of a vaccine can result in or even correlate with the symptoms of mental retardation.
None.
Zilch.
Nada.