Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

Awww, come on now, We can't place one over the other.

Both jokers had their merits, Jack's version of the joker empasized the more pranksterish silly side of the joker, the entire point of having a clown commit crimes.

Whereas Heath ledgers version seems to be the darker, more twisted homicidal maniac joker (That truly is more.. well, true to form).

Personally, I do prefer the Heath ledger version already, because i'm more into the Darker version of the joker, but they both have their merits.

Too early to say. I haven't seen Ledger's performance yet.

I smell posthumous oscar for heath.

>> ^videosiftbannedme:
Too early to say. I haven't seen Ledger's performance yet.


Exactly, we're just looking at his performance from the trailers. It's not a very good comparison right now. Jack's performance still remains the best, until I see Heath's. I can't go on word of mouth.

Don't like the new Joker at all.
Just like with everything else nowadays they just had to make him more emo goth dark, completely detached from all other incarnations of the Joker. Kind of sad to see him reduced to a generic, misunderstood, dark villain with a sad, troubled past. Probably kept the name solely for name recognition's sake, which led to them being forced to add the face paint. By the look of it, however, it's clear the instructions on how to apply said face paint wasn't specific enough.
Then again, this video might not accurately portray the Joker of the new movie. Or, I'm simply not the target audience.

Let's see who is better AFTER The Dark Knight! He should had done based on movie trailers.

>> ^Kreegath:
Don't like the new Joker at all.
Just like with everything else nowadays they just had to make him more emo goth dark, completely detached from all other incarnations of the Joker. Kind of sad to see him reduced to a generic, misunderstood, dark villain with a sad, troubled past. Probably kept the name solely for name recognition's sake, which led to them being forced to add the face paint. By the look of it, however, it's clear the instructions on how to apply said face paint wasn't specific enough.
Then again, this video might not accurately portray the Joker of the new movie. Or, I'm simply not the target audience.


..the dark emo side of the joker? You DO know the joker is a complete homocidal maniac, he blew up one of the Robins AND his mother, and crippled barbara gordon (Batgirl) by showing up to her house, knocking on the door, waiting til she answered and shot her point blank, with a smile on his face the entire time.

There really isn't a villian that GETS more dark then the joker..

The way I see it, the sign of a great actor is totally working outside of his/her personality and totally becoming the character. The reason I say this is because I don't see ANY of Heath's personality, speech, or prior roles in his version of the Joker. Whereas Jack has largely the same sort of attitude in most of his movies and drawing on the same repertoire of facial animation and speech.
Don't get me wrong, I think Jack's Joker was good, but I don't really see him stretching much to fit the role.


I'd have to agree with Trancecoach on his assessment of possible Oscar. It's a huge role in a huge movie with, from what I've seen, some awesome acting, in my opinion.

Plus, as others have said, it's more true to the comics.

Forget Batman, let's give him an award for Knights Tale. You people are way to sappy about an actor.

Let's not forget that a well respected and professional critic in Richard Roeper has already reviewed this film and is touting Ledger as a legit contender for the best supporting actor, without a sympathy vote whatsoever.

I just can't wait to see his performance!

>> ^Kreegath:
Don't like the new Joker at all.
Just like with everything else nowadays they just had to make him more emo goth dark, completely detached from all other incarnations of the Joker. Kind of sad to see him reduced to a generic, misunderstood, dark villain with a sad, troubled past. Probably kept the name solely for name recognition's sake, which led to them being forced to add the face paint. By the look of it, however, it's clear the instructions on how to apply said face paint wasn't specific enough.
Then again, this video might not accurately portray the Joker of the new movie. Or, I'm simply not the target audience.


Is your entire knowledge base about the Joker based on Nicholson's performance? Ledger's Joker is far, far truer to the DC version of the Joker. And you haven't even seen the movie!

Seen the new movie now, the new joker is much, much better.

I think they both stand on their own merits. Nicholson's take goes perfectly with the baroque gothic style Burton was going for in 1989, and Ledger works great for Nolan's uber realism.

Nicholson's take is getting a bad rap. One criticism people level at Jack's performance is that his joker is "too much like Jack Nicholson", but that's why he was cast! Nobody in Hollywood's ever had a more famously threatening grin than Jack Nicholson.

As for the writing of the character, I prefer the Nolan version of the bat mythos, but he's still not making the Batman movies I'd make if a genie granted me the director's chair. I'd make it a lot more low key and make Batman far more self-reliant. Four people knew his identity by the end of Begins. Dumb. Parts of The Dark Knight belong in a Bond movie... the cellphone sonar and the airplane skyhook stunt come to mind.

I also really wish they'd just left Two-Face out of it. They totally wasted Batman's second-best enemy. Should have had the Joker scar him in this one and then maybe cap the movie with a hint that he is going to be the villain in the next one. You could still have the entire arc without making the last half-hour of the movie seem unfocused and sort of too much of a good thing.

About that baroque gothic style, I could never understand why to this day so many people in the media cite The Dark Knight Returns as the inspiration for the 1989 Batman film. Perhaps the sales numbers inspired it, but in tone and style they are as far apart as any other two interpretations of the mythos.

ugh, Tim Burton is soooo pretentious.

Why do you say that? I think he's done a lot of genius stuff. He certainly has a singular vision.

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