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silvercordFrom YouTube poster:
John went to USC to witness and ask questions about Katie Couric getting the Walter Cronkite journalism award for her interview of Sarah Palin. He intended to also give away copies of his film but was literally prevented from doing so. He did not go there hoping for or expecting any sort of confrontation, especially with law enforcement. He was simply shocked and horrified by what happened there, as should every freedom loving American. He did absolutely nothing wrong and was handcuffed, detained and literally abused by law enforcement at the event. The video speaks for itself, John will have plenty to say about this very disturbing episode.
SagemindAgain..., What is it with police and arresting an mistreating people for no reason what's so ever... Other than John not believing this is serious, I don't see what he is doing wrong....
rougy>> ^Sagemind:
Again..., What is it with police and arresting an mistreating people for no reason what's so ever...
I thnk it's called 'authoritarianism' because 9/11 changed everything.
We're safer now because of it.
And ignore the evidence of thermite in the WTC debris.
Stupid truthers.
If 9/11 was an inside job, then we've been bombing the shit out of two countries for the past seven years for no remotely justifiable reason.
And Boeing and Lockheed would lose some money...and boo-hoo that's bad for our economy....
rougyWhen we train dogs to wear badges and wear sidearms, then maybe some of those guards will realize they've been fighting on the wrong side, because their services will no longer be needed and they'll be working class slobs same as the rest of us.
A dog will work for less money than a man.
Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Savage...badges...you all know who butters your bread.
You're establishment muscle, and you fucking know it.
thinker247Just another day in America. Land of the
free, home of the slave.
jwrayZiegler is clearly asking for it. He's acting like a crazy douchebag. There are more tactful ways to get information than to trespass on private property and then get all self-righteous when they ask you to leave. His real goal was to get arrested so he could take it out of context and make a viral video.
If he's an uninvited guest on non-public land the police have the right to escort him off the premises or arrest him for trespassing if he refuses, depending on the (possibly prior) instructions of the owner of the land.
After that he resisted arrest and the police used the minimum necessary force. His own struggle to resist arrest was the main cause of his tiny scratch, if any.
This guy is a worse actor than Mr. "Don't taze me bro". He's smiling and giggling the whole time as he's being arrested, because that's exactly what he wanted.
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MemorareFascism in AmeriKKKa.
I can see the old white guy goose-stepping to a Fox News worldview but what confounds me is that race traitor blacks will also wear the badge.
rougy>> ^jwray:
There are more tactful ways to get information than to trespass on private property and then get all self-righteous when they ask you to leave.
I guess I'm missing your point.
What would be more tactful than a journalist interviewing people at an award for journalism?
HyperdriveJohn Ziegler's on private property and the police act on a request to remove him. An officer spends time calmly explaining that he must leave, however, he refuses. They revert to using what appeared to be a moderate amount of force. I know it's often popular to dislike the police, but from this clip they acted reasonably.
Not such a clever move by the event organisers though. At least Ziegler looked to be enjoying himself.
volumptuous>> ^jwray:
This guy is a worse actor than Mr. "Don't taze me bro".
Um, the "don't taze me bro" guy was tazed. Tazers have been known to kill. I'm sure I'd be screaming and trying to kick anyone's ass who pulled a tazer on me.
But, John Ziegler is a lying scumbag and I hope the police use much more force on him next time.
silvercord^So you'd be incensed if it were Michael Moore?
kymbosIs it a university campus? You can't just rock up on a campus without permissions, can you?
rougy"If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don't like. Goebbels was in favor of freedom of speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're in favor of freedom of speech, that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise."
Noam Chomsky
The same applies to freedom of the press.
StormsingerI've got to agree with JWray and Hyperdrive. Ziegler's clearly intentionally doing this to get video of security forcibly removing him. He got what he wanted, and not nearly as much as he deserves.
"Press" does not give you a free pass into anything and everything. You're still subject to trespassing laws.
JAPRI agree that this guy knows exactly what the fuck he's doing. Upvote because it's been added to the Terrible channel (thanks, Jwray), this guy appears to be a complete douchebag.
He should know VERY WELL that a reporter is not allowed to go around on private property such as a college campus unless they have specific permission from the people in charge of the university. This video is obviously a pathetic attempt at gaining some publicity and sympathy when he's completely out of line.
A more proper title would be "John Ziegler doesn't understand what the fuck trespassing entails."
volumptuous>> ^silvercord:
^So you'd be incensed if it were Michael Moore?
What does Michael Moore have to do with anything?
Ziegler is a well known liar, a Palin pusher, and giant asshole (read his interview with Nate Silver to start).
He was obviously fucking with campus security, grinning like a pompous fuck who thinks he can just roll up onto a private campus with no clearance, and start taping?
That is not freedom of the press, and you and Rougy know it.
rougy>> ^volumptuous:
Maybe you're right. I've never heard of the guy before and I'm only making my call based on this video. But I think the gist of what I said still applies, even to assholes like Zeigler.
There really is no freedom of press or freedom of expression in America.
It's another lie that we've been conditioned to swallow whole.
And giving Curic an award for journalistic excellence is like giving a clown an award for remembering to put on his makeup.
rcwPrivate property. Asked to leave. Didn't
silvercordJohn Ziegler responds:
. . . there is a lot more to say about this situation, largely because there has been so much misinformation, so many irresponsible accusations, and so much blatant hypocrisy in the general reaction to the remarkable videotape.
Now, one would think that there wouldn’t be much confusion about a situation that was videotaped in its entirety by not one but two cameras who were acting largely independently of the primary actors (we have posted a nearly real-time version of the entire affair at http://www.HowObamaGotElected.com), but unfortunately that is clearly the case. I would like to try to address some of these issues here.
First, one of the ways that those on the left have used to try to avoid having to hold their nose and support the free speech rights of a rabble-rousing “conservative,” is that USC is a “private” school and therefore they had the right to kick me out for no purpose. I even saw one prominent blog with the headline “Ziegler Arrested for Trespassing on Private Property,” which is just laughably false.
While USC is indeed a “private” school, this does not in any way legally make their property like that of a private residence. First, they take federal tax money, and second it has a very “open” campus and the area I was in has direct access from a public street without even a gate blocking the way. At any given moment there are many people walking on the sidewalks where I was arrested who are neither students, faculty nor invited guests of the University. I had every right to be there (outside the building where the award ceremony took place) and I did nothing to provoke or warrant being handcuffed, arrested or removed from the property. It is very clear the only reason that happened was because of my previously expressed political opinion on what was going on that day. In short, I was targeted for different treatment because of my beliefs.
The next tactic many have tried, in order to avoid facing their own politically induced hypocrisy on free speech, is to minimize the incident by saying that I was not “arrested” and that what happened was not a big deal.
While in the end I was not charged (I was told that I would indeed be booked at LAPD headquarters), that was only because higher authorities saw that the campus police “arrest” was clearly problematic if not completely bogus. After I was already “arrested,” they shifted gears and told me that I basically had two choices: leave the premises or be charged along with the two photographers who did not work for me and who in no way bargained for such a situation. Not wanting to put them in jeopardy and seeing that I could not possibly do anything further to achieve my original goal of educating those attending the awards, I decided, under threat of prosecution, to leave the grounds.
But make no mistake, I was arrested. I was handcuffed and detained against my will for an extended period of time with my microphone and blackberry taken from me. The photographers were also told to stop shooting under threat of arrest themselves. And, as the video clearly shows, my wrists were significantly bruised by the handcuffs that I had rightly complained were put on way too tight.
All of this happened obviously not because of my actions but because of my political view on the proceedings. In effect, I was being punished, repressed, and physically harmed as a form of prior restraint because they anticipated that I might do something to disrupt the proceedings based on my prior writings and commentary on the event (in which I never claimed I would do anything more than exactly what I tried to; give away copies of my film as an educational exercise). No matter how hard liberals try to rationalize it, this makes this a very obvious case of a blatant free speech violation.
Another way that commentators (including some on the right) have attempted to ignore the very serious First Amendment implications of this case, is to say that I set this up as some sort of publicity stunt to promote my film.
First of all, this could not be more irrelevant to the constitutional issues involved . . .
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