I "L"'d so "O.L." it was actually silent. A silent cry of laughter.

Heh heh, wheres the clip .. ahh

Why do they do this? I know the answer, but if the reason is not constructive, why bother?

Fox is the GOP's propaganda channel.

There, I said the obvious again.

We need the years put up on that video for the slower Fox viewers. I don't think they'll understand.

Fox may be right that journalism is dead, they would know. I'm so sick of hearing about "the other side", "the second side". etc. of issues. It seems no matter where you turn there are two sides to any single event/issue. Not 3 or 4 or 5, just 2 sides. Not one singular truth about what happened, 2 opposing views. I think in many cases it's disingenuous and anti-intellectual, and in some it's downright dishonest and manipulative. But politicians and the media love it because so many people just eat this shit up. *sigh*

Two party system. Two media system. What do you expect? This 'Democracy' is a Demopublican Plutocratic Kleptocracy. Each party picks their -short list- of candidates that they want in office, and you vote on that short list. Are you *really* choosing the president? Are you *really* choosing individuals for office? In a country of some 300 million +, wouldn't you expect there to be more than a dozen or so individuals wanting to run for the presidential seat. Why are the final candidates always the party big-names? Why are non-mainstream candidates sidelined and not given equal airtime or allowed into the debates?

I don't get this controversy. Since when is it taboo for the President to go on TV? I guess when the dumbest living humans on earth comprise your audience, the sky is the limit when it comes to bullshit.

Well, at first I thought this was ridiculous, then I realized, Fox News didn't spend an hour about one issue that President Bush was trying to push. Haven't seen the ABC special yet, so I obviously can't make a judgment on that, but if it's anything like what it sounds like it's going to be...An hour long puff piece would just equal the playing field... An hour long special on how great the new health care plan is would be outdoing even Fox News.

By the way, I won't argue with you, rougy because you're absolutely right. But don't forget that CBS, ABC, and NBC, cable channels CNN and MSNBC, as well as major newspapers, news-wires, and radio outlets, especially CBS News, Newsweek, and the New York Times are the Democratic Party's propaganda outlets.

There, I said the obvious again.

A 2002 study by Jim A. Kuypers of Dartmouth College, Press Bias and Politics, investigated the issue of media bias. In this study of 116 mainstream US papers, including The New York Times, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle, Kuypers found that the mainstream press in America tends to favor liberal viewpoints. They found that reporters expressing moderate or conservative points of view were often labeled as holding a minority point of view. Kuypers said he found liberal bias in reporting a variety of issues including race, welfare reform, environmental protection, and gun control.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080205062048/http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200209/CUL20020917b.html


In a survey conducted by the American Society of Newspaper Editors in 1997, 61% of reporters stated that they were members of or shared the beliefs of the Democratic Party. Only 15% say their beliefs were best represented by the Republican Party. This leaves 24% undecided or Independent.

http://www.asne.org/kiosk/reports/97reports/journalists90s/journalists.html

>> ^deedub81:
By the way, I won't argue with you, rougy because you're absolutely right. But don't forget that CBS, ABC, and NBC, cable channels CNN and MSNBC, as well as major newspapers, news-wires, and radio outlets, especially CBS News, Newsweek, and the New York Times are the Democratic Party's propaganda outlets..

You have no fucking clue.

You don't have the synapses to tell up from down unless somebody was standing there giving you hints.

You know, deedub, we might actually like each other in real life, but you just don't get it.

Innocent people were tortured - yes tortured - and you supported that.

What did that make us, deedub? You and me, the Americans?

It's not a laughing matter, and your claim above...that basically every mainstream "news" source other than FOX NEWS is a liberal propaganda machine....

You are not paying attention, deedub.

You are lying to yourself and nothing that I say will sway you hither.

I will not pay for your sins, deedub.

I will not be held accountable for what you have supported.

I have stood against that, and against you, short of drawing arms.

I will not raise my hand against you, but it wasn't me, it was you.

And this isn't over.

Well, This thread has turned into kind of a standoff between a couple members... So have a distraction to lighten the mood

Reality has a well known liberal bias. - Stephen Colbert

Media tends to favor the liberals because liberals base their opinions on knowledge. They may be wrong with how they interpret that knowledge, they may be wrong with their choices of what to do about the problems they see, but it is based on reality. And the people who make up the media are mostly well-educated people so they have a better ability to see reality.

Conservatives, in part, base their positions on ignorance and denial. Not always, there are some very valid choices presented as conservative ideals. But the most visible, glaring hypocrisies are based on a false view of the world and history, even recent history. That is the demographic exploited by Faux News, so they don't have to be careful about being consistent. All they have to do is pander to the ignorant and closed minded, and their ratings will be solid.

>> ^deedub81:
Well, at first I thought this was ridiculous, then I realized, Fox News didn't spend an hour about one issue that President Bush was trying to push.

So Fox never beat the drums calling for war in Iraq?

Supposedly ABC is just televising a town hall meeting Obama's holding to discuss health care.

We'll see how handpicked the questions are, but I suspect they will spend a good portion of the time responding to the criticism we're hearing from Republicans.

I don't support torture. Find somewhere on the sift that I said I support torture, and I'll shut up.

I also JUST said that I think any idiot can see that FOX is extremely supportive of the republican party. But, all other media stations have a (much more subtle, but undeniable) liberal bias.

I'm not giving any opinions here. These are facts.

(What "sins" are you talking about, pray tell?)


>> ^rougy:
>> ^deedub81:
By the way, I won't argue with you, rougy because you're absolutely right. But don't forget that CBS, ABC, and NBC, cable channels CNN and MSNBC, as well as major newspapers, news-wires, and radio outlets, especially CBS News, Newsweek, and the New York Times are the Democratic Party's propaganda outlets..
You have no fucking clue.
You don't have the synapses to tell up from down unless somebody was standing there giving you hints.
You know, deedub, we might actually like each other in real life, but you just don't get it.
Innocent people were tortured - yes tortured - and you supported that.
What did that make us, deedub? You and me, the Americans?
It's not a laughing matter, and your claim above...that basically every mainstream "news" source other than FOX NEWS is a liberal propaganda machine....
You are not paying attention, deedub.
You are lying to yourself and nothing that I say will sway you hither.

You can't just make blanket statements about your opinions and then not back them up with any fact. Saying that broadcasters "have a better ability to see reality" is just a ludicrous statement.

40% of Americans claim to be conservative. Not republican, but conservative. Only 21% identify themselves as liberal. So, life doesn't have a liberal bias. At least America doesn't.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/06/poll-conservatives-still-largest-ideological-group.html

Higher education does make a person more likely to be a democrat, but that doesn't mean that you've accurately placed cause and effect. Are they a democrat because they have a higher education or did they get a higher education because they are a democrat? Studies about this have less to do with intelligence and more to do with time spent in school. Liberals are the minority, but they are MUCH more likely to be teachers than conservatives (This is most likely not an irrelevant consideration when assigning cause and effect). Thus one might hypothesize that the more time a person spends being instructed by liberals, the more likely they are to be a liberal. Shocked?

http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=53



>> ^MaxWilder:
Reality has a well known liberal bias. - Stephen Colbert
Media tends to favor the liberals because liberals base their opinions on knowledge. They may be wrong with how they interpret that knowledge, they may be wrong with their choices of what to do about the problems they see, but it is based on reality. And the people who make up the media are mostly well-educated people so they have a better ability to see reality.
Conservatives, in part, base their positions on ignorance and denial. Not always, there are some very valid choices presented as conservative ideals. But the most visible, glaring hypocrisies are based on a false view of the world and history, even recent history. That is the demographic exploited by Faux News, so they don't have to be careful about being consistent. All they have to do is pander to the ignorant and closed minded, and their ratings will be solid.