this is pretty dishonest "journalism". interesting how obscenely reason TV will ignore major details to make an obtuse ideological point.

>> ^kir_mokum:

this is pretty dishonest "journalism". interesting how obscenely reason TV will ignore major details to make an obtuse ideological point.


Which ones?

I could easily spin their point the opposite way & state that

'Although you believe that an organism coming out of another individuals body is the same exact premise as what that person chooses to ingest, why then should these businesses providing abortions be restricted in the marketplace of consumer demand by governments prohibiting these services while also pertaining to be for less governmental restriction & free-market capitalism?'.

Forget soda, Reason.tv will ROT your brain.

>> ^truth-is-the-nemesis:

I could easily spin their point the opposite way & state that
'Although you believe that an organism coming out of another individuals body is the same exact premise as what that person chooses to ingest, why then should these businesses providing abortions be restricted in the marketplace of consumer demand by governments prohibiting these services while also pertaining to be for less governmental restriction & free-market capitalism?'.
Forget soda, Reason.tv will ROT your brain.






By "organism", I assume you mean, "human"...both the law and pretty much all persons are pretty settled on this point that once it is birthed it is a human


This video isn't about restriction abortion either, it is about using the same logic in all part of our lives. The hardest part of the abortion debate is that all western talk of rights is about how states and people manage their contractual parts. Fetuses and babies are completely unable to participate in this debate...we are speaking for them. That makes these problems intractably hard to deal with. To put it another way, the birthing process is like no other process we deal with in life; the "person"/baby/fetusthingy isn't a one, and the mother is a one that brings forth another one. Birthing is the processes of making more others using a one. Ones coming out of ones, really hard to deal with with our mental tools, IMO. If the abortion issue is easy for someone, they are thinking inside a very small paradigm. Perhaps I am mistaken. Perhaps it is super easy and I am making it more complex. What does seem clear is that people like to think they are right and not really exert much effort in thinking about it from the other perspective. Perhaps that is why I can look at both the video above and the daily show video and enjoy them. Sometimes, I feel like the only free man in the world.

The moral of this Koch Brothers fairy tale is that if you support reproductive choice, then you are somehow also obligated to support the entire litany of misguided corporatist Koch policies. Do they really think we are that stupid?

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

The moral of this Koch Brothers fairy tale is that if you support reproductive choice, then you are somehow also obligated to support the entire litany of misguided corporatist Koch policies. Do they really think we are that stupid?


I don't think talking to people in a civil way about a complex issue is stupid, I think it is the key to living a peaceful life on this planet. Calling people stupid whom you don't agree with is the opposite.

I didn't see any complexity, just an attempt to make a poorly reasoned point via wordplay, uncharismatic people and editing. Do you really think that reproductive rights has anything at all to do with toxic manufacturing materials? If I support abortion, does that mean I can't have an opinion on pollutants? If I try to link these issues by saying 'light bulb choice', does it make it any more relevant?

The far right has never been able to get over the success that women's rights activists had with the smart use of the frame 'choice.'

Moving this video to GeeSussFreeK's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

Biblical fact checking is as important as political fact checking. You would be surprised to know that contentious views about abortion are not conveyed in scripture. What the Bible says about abortion has never been included in the debate. If Christians don't know scriptural truth, arguments over abortion will continue to worsen and persist while the message of God’s love and salvation is set aside. The following article is based on scriptural facts about abortion not religious faction and fiction.

How scripture defuses the abortion debate - [url redacted]

Biblical fact checking is as important as political fact checking. You would be surprised to know that contentious views about abortion are not conveyed in scripture. What the Bible says about abortion has never been included in the debate. If Christians don't know scriptural truth, arguments over abortion will continue to worsen and persist while the message of God’s love and salvation is set aside. The following article is based on scriptural facts about abortion not religious faction and fiction.

How scripture defuses the abortion debate - [url redacted]