The more oil and gas companies frack, the more trouble finds a way to happen. Presented by earthjustice.org.
TheFreaksays...

No controversy really. Anyone who's worked in the field for a company that's fracking knows it's messing up nearby water sources. They all know it's happening, but there's been no "legal" proof so those companies will continue to mantain that it does no harm. Their definition of "harm" being contingent upon a court decision that harm is being done. If your water or land is messed up, it's not really messed up if there's no courtroom decision that it's messed up.

Fracking does harm. Is it worth the cost? Of course it is, as long as the cost continues to fall on the shoulders of the parties affected, rather than the companies doing the damage.

Peroxidesays...

If you cut out all the back and forth rhetoric that inevitably spews between oil(and gas) corporations and communities who want clean air and water and a future, it all comes down to neoclassical economics' false dichotomy.

Corporations (and left and right wing politicians who over romanticize the free market) will tell citizens,

"you can either have:
a) a strong economy, or
b) a clean environment."

and
they
will
insist
we
can't
have
both.


In Canada for the last couple elections people have been scare mongered by this false dichotomy.

I tell you, there is a sustainable economy, there is a sustainable future: dare to dream. Let's all grow the f*ck up and build the new economy that defies the bullshit neoclassical economic lies that have been entrenched in our culture. They will tell you the choice is between a job or cancer. Fuck. that. shit.

It's time for the next industrial revolution, the green revolution, I'm in. Change your light bulbs, then change your leaders.

gharksays...

>> ^Peroxide:

If you cut out all the back and forth rhetoric that inevitably spews between oil(and gas) corporations and communities who want clean air and water and a future, it all comes down to neoclassical economics' false dichotomy.
Corporations (and left and right wing politicians who over romanticize the free market) will tell citizens,
"you can either have:
a) a strong economy, or
b) a clean environment."
and
they
will
insist
we
can't
have
both.

In Canada for the last couple elections people have been scare mongered by this false dichotomy.
I tell you, there is a sustainable economy, there is a sustainable future: dare to dream. Let's all grow the f ck up and build the new economy that defies the bullshit neoclassical economic lies that have been entrenched in our culture. They will tell you the choice is between a job or cancer. Fuck. that. shit.
It's time for the next industrial revolution, the green revolution, I'm in. Change your light bulbs, then change your leaders.


absolutely, this short term thinking they want us to buy in to is nonsense and is ruining everything for future generations.

notarobotsays...

Be careful how you change your bulbs. The 5 mg of mercury in a single CFL is enough to make as much as 50,000 litres of water undrinkable according to Canadian drinking water standerds. One or two lamps doesn't sound like much, but a million lamps means a lot of pollution.

As far as Fraking goes, the only controversy is how these companies continue to get away with it. Water means life. *Quality PSA.

>> ^Peroxide:

If you cut out all the back and forth rhetoric that inevitably spews between oil(and gas) corporations and communities who want clean air and water and a future, it all comes down to neoclassical economics' false dichotomy.
Corporations (and left and right wing politicians who over romanticize the free market) will tell citizens,
"you can either have:
a) a strong economy, or
b) a clean environment."
and
they
will
insist
we
can't
have
both.

In Canada for the last couple elections people have been scare mongered by this false dichotomy.
I tell you, there is a sustainable economy, there is a sustainable future: dare to dream. Let's all grow the f ck up and build the new economy that defies the bullshit neoclassical economic lies that have been entrenched in our culture. They will tell you the choice is between a job or cancer. Fuck. that. shit.
It's time for the next industrial revolution, the green revolution, I'm in. Change your light bulbs, then change your leaders.

notarobotsays...

I can't wait to test drive one of those. >> ^Peroxide:

LED bulbs will soon be more affordable, and they use even less electricity than CFLs, however, they can be sort of blindingly harsh.
This one looks nice, and like they addressed the harsh light, http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/8/8/7
>> ^notarobot:
Be careful how you change your bulbs. The 5 mg of mercury in a single CFL is enough to make as much as 50,000 litres of water undrinkable according to Canadian drinking water standerds.


silkysays...

>> ^ghark:
Fracking is coming in a huge way to Queensland, it looks like earthjustice.org is focused only on the fracking in the states unfortunately.


Wish we had proper legislation against this. We don't need it in Australia.

It isn't like the gas is going anywhere until we find a better and safer solution to extract the gas too. As it has been shown, this stuff gets more exensive the longer you wait anyway.

mxxconsays...

>> ^Peroxide:

LED bulbs will soon be more affordable, and they use even less electricity than CFLs, however, they can be sort of blindingly harsh.
This one looks nice, and like they addressed the harsh light, http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/8/8/7
>> ^notarobot:
Be careful how you change your bulbs. The 5 mg of mercury in a single CFL is enough to make as much as 50,000 litres of water undrinkable according to Canadian drinking water standerds.

not exactly http://consumerist.com/2011/08/consumer-reports-are-new-led-lightbulbs-as-good-as-the-inefficient-incandescents.html

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