Surely, surely, surely we're not saying that any and all behaviors exhibited by animals are acceptable or desirable for humans.

Surely.

1. humans are animals.
2. pick one, and only one of the following
- a: "that behavior is wrong because it is unnatural."
- b: "we will not use animal behavior to dertermine right and wrong."

..."We'll see for once and for all to see that I am the most macho Bisonas in all the prairie, by making you my beetch, because, for the only reason that I am very horny, and the females aren't around....

translation, homo-bison

"Natural" and "good" are not synonyms.

Not the best translation, but I'll give it anyway (in parenthesis are the things I'm unsure if they are correctly translated)

From the heights of the Canadian mountains,Valerius (G...?) observed the hitting on the legs of a male ram similar the female cobo (I guess it refers to ram). He wrote:
"To conceive this magnificent creatures were homosexual was too much for me, but I finally decided to call it by its name and admit the the rams live in a homosexual society...But while the majority of female cogo also mate with males,a
lot of young ram or of lower status, have to wait and mature sexually before having heterosexual experiences"

The young American Bison also reveals homosexual behavior, sometimes for more than 5 years...Normally after a period of fighting, they mount one another. The adult Bisons do not let the young to mate with females; that is why their behavior is interpreted as a sexual frustration (incorrectly used). Some studies separated the adult males and even when there where plenty of females available the males continued to have homosexual relationships.

Most of these first interpretations had a thing in common; whether they served as a practice or to arouse the opposite sex, the animals with homosexual behavior have a unique intention, to improve their possibilities in the future reproductive sex.

Then in a forest of Central Africa, a group of monkeys appeared that forced the scientists to reconsider the purpose/intention of any kind of sex.
(The first pair of monkeys that keep looking at each other are male and female)
But the Primatologist Frans (D...?)states, "The Bonobos will have sexual relationships with males and females, old, and young while eating, playing or carrying their young. And have relations frequently, sometimes for the entire day"

The sexual behavior of the Bonobo is the more flexible that we know of (leaving out the human race), I tend to define them as pansexuals; I cannot say they are homosexuals because they do not have an exclusive orientation to one gender or the other. They use sex in all the individual combinations, they feel free to do so.

The females only have offspring every 6 years, but have sexual relations whether they are in heat or not, and even when they are pregnant or are breast-feeding their young. Even the young have sexual relationships face to face. The Bonobo is one of the few species that discards the common scientific assumption that animal sex is united only to reproduction.

There is a theory that pretends to give sex a social purpose by relating it with dominant behavior. (@ minute 3:00) A male of higher status establishes dominance to a much younger male. But this theory does not seem to apply completely to the Bonobos, because the young as well as members of inferior status also tend to mount the elder members; Sex in this cases appears to be reciprocal.

Why do Bonobos waste so much energy trying to have sex so frequently and with many different individuals?
"The choice of sexmates is dictated by the social ties or strategic politics. It is also due to the tension. Our data reveals that the increase in social tensions
between Bonobos ( is translated )as sexual behavior. Food creates competition, and instead of fighitng for it, they have sexual relations in order to share the food later. That is why we say they make love and not war"

@4:25
This type of monkeys tends to have sexual relations face to face, a posture that in principle was thought to be exclusive of humans.
There are dangers if we relate these monkeys with humans, but there is a point in which (the Primatologist argues)the Bonobos are stronger:

"The Bonobos show us that the sexual life of our closest relatives is extremely rich and flexible. Those who claim that the only function of sex is reproduction are mistaken with the Bonobos, and it is possible that they are mistaken about us as well because sex can have multiple functions and vary/change greatly in a big society."

"And homosexual behavior is marginalized only in certain cultures. Is like just for having homosexual interests they end up being seen as exclusively homosexual; they could be bisexual, which may occur with a lot of heterosexuals. There is a kind of division that might not have been created naturally, but by intolerance."

Within the Bonobo's societies and other primate societies, the individuals who demonstrate homosexual behaviors do not seem to be marginalized/excluded; on the contrary it is just another part of their daily life.

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This is probably the longest post on VideoSift, but I felt you guys were missing a lot in this video. I hope This gets to the front.

hehe I kinda beat you on the long thread Mauz15. Coincidentally it was also for a translation of a foreign language documentary.

And why did I have to vote again for this post? I remember voting for it already. Strange.

^ that was a lot of typing farhad. You also have like 2000 comments! wow

...man, both of ya...thanks!

Its like the argument of "Marijuana must be good for you because its natural, from the earth."

Well guess what else is Natural, Cyanide, I don't see many people smoking it up.

Now I am not saying there is anything wrong with homosexuality, I am simply saying it isn't a very good argument for making it "right".

^ yeah well... it's not like the other side has a very good argument either.

Hey, wallace - to quote Steve Martin in L.A. Story: I don't think you understand how unattractive hate is.

Interesting.

Are you kidding? "Hate?" Do you truly think that anyone with opinions in any way different from yours is, by definition, filled with hatred? Can you tolerate anything?

All I'm saying is that "nature" is filled with alot of really, really bad things. That's hateful?

I don't understand why people judge homosexuality from our modern prespective. It's not like homosexuality popped up in the 80's like bad hair and stayed around. It's been there since the dawn of time. To say something is unnatural is to say something hasn't been there previously, while clearly homosexuality has a long historical record. How far is it to say that homosexual hatred emerged through with religious conflict between Abrahamic religions and the pagan religions? Say Judaism/Christianity/Islam vs Ancient Roman/Greek/Pagan religions (since they had homosexuality prevalent in their culture)?

I don't understand why people find it so troubling to themselves about what other people do in their bed rooms. What are you feeling left out? Why are we so antagonistic about respecting other people's autonomy? It's not like if gay people are given rights that would mean everyone would turn gay. I say all this and am not even gay.

This is just an answer to one side. Fundies usually say, "Homosexuality just isnt natural, you dont see animals doin it!!!" This video is a response to that. When 1 side throws a ball and the other hits it out of the park, dont say hitting the ball didn't matter or ask them why they hit it. I agree that this video isnt a good reason to say homosexuality is good or OK, but its an answer to a point that people against it make.

@archchef, I believe skforty has indeed sifted t3h correct, but to put it a step farther, I've heard a few fundies say that, "Homosexuality isn't natural, God never intended a man to lie with another man." Since a large number of Christian fundamentalists (if not all) believe that God created the Earth and all of its inhabitants with specific intentions, this video demonstrates that, if you accept the axiom of creationism, you must then accept the inference that God intended the animals shown in this video to be homosexual, therefore homosexuality is natural and in accordance with God's Plan.

I certainly wouldn't say "natural" = "good" (Ebola, for instance, is very natural), but I don't believe that's what this video is saying.

^ Exactly. The Videosift title and what the video says not the same.

*gay

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