Short exchange from the doc Expelled.
ponceleonsays...

Wow, he really does come across as an idiot (ben stein). He asks him to put the likelyhood of god into a number, Dawkins protests that it is kind of a silly thing to do, and then he CRITICIZES the number Dawkins come up with because it is somehow unscientific! What a fuckhead.

Edit: I just found a very amusing association in my mind... "You don't believe in Hindu gods? You don't believe in muslim gods?"

Yes Lisa, a magical wonderful animal!
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johnald128says...

Either this is really over-edited or Dawkins just allowed Stein to attempt to stump him in some dirty soundbite kinda way (which i doubt). Dawkins would never agree to publicly debate a creationist for anything less than $10000s, so this is all very strange...
I even heard that they digitally distorted some interviewees voices for whatever reason, dirty stuff.
Stein totally misses the point regarding Dawkins' example of possible designers. That they too would 'have to' evolve if they ever existed - thus making the concept of a fundamental creator god retarded.

braindonutsays...

Such ridiculous nonsense. Yes, maybe we'll find "god" through science, but we certainly never will if we circumvent the entire discovery process by saying "God did it!" and then proceed to not explore anything further.

The answer of "god did it" is simply a shortcut answer for the inexplicable. It's not an explanation of how something was done.

If all these intelligent design proponents really do believe that some kind of higher form of intelligence was responsible for creating life - the question they should then be asking is HOW that higher form of intelligence was able to do it. They should be trying to understand the methods and prove that it was done. If they aren't trying to answer that question, then they aren't scientists at all.

And, also, any "scientist" who claims intelligent design is real and then adamantly claims that it's THEIR god who was the intelligent designer... They are festivaling themselves [Edit: I must have seen the word festival when I wrote that, meant to say festivaling... that was weird] [Edit: Actually, I think I just got Cheese firsted... festival == f00l?]. Crafting intricate apologies and explanations for their ancient superstitions... On the other hand, if someone says they think some kind of intelligence was responsible for creating life, but they aren't sure what... That's reasonable hypothesizing, I suppose, given that they are actually trying to figure out who/what that intelligence was and how it was able to create life.

I'm done ranting now.

gwiz665says...

The idea of "panspermia" (aliens planting life on earth or just from a random meteor) does not detract from the theory of evolution at all. Like the God Theory, nothing is really explained about origin through that, because whatever placed life on earth would also necessitate its own evolution.

johnald: There is a long story about how RD was coerced into this movie. Originally it was called Crossroads and was advertised as something entirely different.

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