Who doesn't like Dan? Great sift, moodonia

They have to get off their knees and push it through.

Sorry, that's just one double meaning too far for me.

Wow. Just wow. Amazing the swill we like to bathe ourselves in through TV these days. Seems that the menu only has extreme pot-shots from either end of the radical spectrum.

So, I believe in and love Jesus and that somehow equates to me wanting Obama dead. And Savage calls ME the nutjob?

You know, religious and political ideals don't always have to cancel each other out. I don't disagree with Savage that Jesus taught us to care for the poor, sick, and needy. I don't agree with EITHER party on how they approach these directives. I am personally opposed to nationalizing health care, not because I'm ignoring Christ's teachings, but because I'm absolutely convinced that putting these functions in the hands of our government is the only sure-fire way to screw this up.

I would love to figure out how to best care for the poor without the expense of the radical splash damage the current legislation is capable of. This is a huge and important issue that deserves reasoned debate and compromise to the benefit of all.

I have my doubts that we're even still capable of that in this day and age.

Dan Savage, the first gay atheist president of the USA!

J.F. he is not being THAT general about religious people. If you are getting in front of people and stirring the pot saying the president must be stopped or his death panels will kill your elders, then yes he may be referring to you.

The underlining context of all of this is that the health care reform might not be stopped through due process, but through radical means. -That's- the concern here.

That's what irks me currently is the opposition to Bush felt mainly vocal... or at least stayed within the realms of fair play (within the system, yelling impeach the president not praying for his death). Now it's like the people on the loosing side feel like their entire country was stolen and are ignoring the fact that Obama was elected through the same system Bush was. They're painting it like a communist take over, and acting like spoiled children loosing a board game.

And yes, it's a little scary when people think god is on their side. That can lead to people feeling that they can act out the will of god (aka: their own majority view of what's right and wrong) and kill infidels (maybe an abortion doctor or two..?). They'll even have their own little radical group backing them up. Anyone at that point is no different from a middle east suicide bomber.

If Obama was elected and the majority of the US was suddenly looking to each other saying, 'Wait a minute.. no one voted for this guy..?!', then hell yeah there's reason for the level of outrage going on currently by some. People had to deal with Bush, now people have to deal with Obama, but we're all still Americans (yes, even the president).

PS I'm not politically aligned to either party. If people want to feel like they ARE a democrat or ARE a conservative that's fine, but then it seems like people forget that what we each are are individuals with opinions that may LEAN one way or another. Not just a person who magically inherits ALL of the traits associated with such a label. That kind of thinking is what begins the "Us vs Them" mentality and can lead to bad things.

There are bad people who are democrats and bad people who are republicans amongst the good people in either party. Everyone's an individual. Pretty interesting how far the insanity meter is starting to reach...

>> ^Jesus_Freak:
I am personally opposed to nationalizing health care, not because I'm ignoring Christ's teachings, but because I'm absolutely convinced that putting these functions in the hands of our government is the only sure-fire way to screw this up.


Hello, Jesus_Freak. I like your username, already I feel like we have so much in common. Anyway:

1) NOBODY is proposing nationalization of health care. No-fucking-body. I got that the first week I heard about the reform and I'm not an American, ffs. HERE'S what EXTREMELY little change is being proposed, presented to you in the convenient form of a flow-chart, because seems like the majority of Americans are unable to read any text that's concerned with policies that could affect their lives.

2) Your health care system is already arguably the most screwed-up among the developed nations of the world. And I know this is a controversial point of view, me and a number of other people think that but intervention from a player whose goal isn't to scam the average American out of their money and leave them helpless in a state medical emergency, MIGHT EVEN DO SOME FUCKING GOOD.

Like I always say on these, Bachman doesn't represent the vast majority of Minnesotans.... I just want to try to clear our name. Sorry for this craziness.

Yeah and welcome Jesus_Freak. I hope religion is serving you better than it serves the rest of humanity.

Bachman on the health care reform bill:
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. The dark fire will not avail you, Flame of Udun! Go back to the shadow. You shall not pass!"

So Obama is a Balrog? That's pretty cool.

Can you imagine how much Olbermann would have flipped out if a Republican had made that throat slitting comment? He probably would have devoted a monologue to it, but here he just brushes it off.

At least he didn't do any "reading voices", which makes him 10x more watchable in itself.

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Dan Savage is an awesomely good communicator. He distills my rage for me.

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