Bernie Sanders VS. The Patriot Act

Bernie Sanders arguing against the surveillance law in 2002.
newtboysays...

I'm guessing that Clinton will say/has said she doesn't remember where Sanders was during the fight against the patriot act either....just like she 'didn't remember' that he was right there with her during the health care fight in the 90's, and like her supporters 'didn't remember where he was' during the civil rights movement.

harlequinnsays...

"Basic constitutional rights and protections that have made us a great and free country".

Is he a cherry picker in regards to which constitutional rights and protections should be maintained?

MilkmanDansays...

Are you just asking, or do you have something that you think qualifies as "cherry picking" on his part?

harlequinnsaid:

"Basic constitutional rights and protections that have made us a great and free country".

Is he a cherry picker in regards to which constitutional rights and protections should be maintained?

harlequinnsays...

If I had something that qualified as cherry picking then I wouldn't be asking, I'd be telling. I'm sure you know the old adage that it's rude to answer a question with a question.

Do you have an answer to my question?

MilkmanDansaid:

Are you just asking, or do you have something that you think qualifies as "cherry picking" on his part?

MilkmanDansays...

Should I?

/ducks

In all seriousness though, no, I don't really have an answer to your question. What I like about Sanders is that he seems to call 'em like he sees 'em, instead of pandering to what he thinks will get him the most votes like most politicians (cough Hillary cough). So, I guess the best way to find an answer would be to examine what he says (and how he has voted) about constitutional issues.

I suppose that if I had to guess the most likely "constitutional right" that his opponents would call him out for NOT wholeheartedly supporting would probably be the 2nd amendment. He has said (and voted) that he is in favor of an assault weapons ban on guns that are "only designed to kill people". And that he wants "common sense gun control legislation" enacted.

Fox News would probably say that means that he is radically opposed to some of our constitutionally guaranteed rights and protections. You can decide for yourself whether you agree or not.


I should note that aside from my first line here "answering a question with a question", I'm not trying to be snarky in my reply here and wasn't trying to be in my first reply to you either. I just wasn't clear from the context of your original post if you were asking a question or if you "had an agenda". Now I get it. I think.

harlequinnsaid:

If I had something that qualified as cherry picking then I wouldn't be asking, I'd be telling. I'm sure you know the old adage that it's rude to answer a question with a question.

Do you have an answer to my question?

harlequinnsays...

Lol. No agenda.

I'm not American, so I have little exposure to American politics (only news snippets). I have an interest in it though, and take notes where I can.

I asked because there are hardly any politicians (or people in general) that won't support the rights they like and deny the ones they don't. And America's constitution is such a strong document, it's hard not to trip up on things like free speech, firearms, non-interference from the government, etc.

It is possible to enact sensible gun control without banning assault weapons. Look to New Zealand for perfectly sensible gun laws that allow assault weapons. They have a lower homicide rate, and lower homicide by firearm rate than Australia.

I just looked up his policies (google neatly summarised it for me - thank you google god). He's got some things that I think are great. Universal health care is the best.

MilkmanDansaid:

Should I?

/ducks

In all seriousness though, no, I don't really have an answer to your question. What I like about Sanders is ...

... I just wasn't clear from the context of your original post if you were asking a question or if you "had an agenda". Now I get it. I think.

Paybacksays...

New Zealand having fewer gun deaths than America I'm pretty sure has less to do with gun laws than the fact it's almost entirely populated by New Zealanders.

Ever try to piss off a Kiwi without resorting to getting them drunk first?

Virtually impossible.

harlequinnsays...

A good hypothesis.

At the end of the day it's going to be a myriad of factors that affects them and firearm laws are just one piece in the puzzle.

Paybacksaid:

New Zealand having fewer gun deaths than America I'm pretty sure has less to do with gun laws than the fact it's almost entirely populated by New Zealanders.

Ever try to piss off a Kiwi without resorting to getting them drunk first?

Virtually impossible.

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