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11 Comments
casonsays...Moyo rack disciprine.
JustSayingsays...You know, sometimes adressing the elephant in the room isn't enough to solve the problem.
Oxen_Moralesays...this is Liberalism on display at its finest. Good intention with complete lack of sense, upside down priorities and lack or foresight.
newtboysays...Please explain.
The priority is clearly to save injured and/or abandoned animals and make them happy and healthy. They seem to be doing a GREAT job of that, at the expense of a cheap couch. What's the 'upside down priority' or 'lack of foresight' you speak of?
Are you suggesting the cheap outdoor couch is more important than the baby elephant's happiness and well being? THAT sounds like an upside down priority to me.
this is Liberalism on display at its finest. Good intention with complete lack of sense, upside down priorities and lack or foresight.
Oxen_Moralesays...Right, happy for how long, happy when they are placed back in the wild and get shot for invading someone's house? OR happy when they don't know how to find food on their own and survive?
Don't you see she is not doing this for just the animals but she is really doing this for herself at the animals expense. Just like a spoiling parent.
Please explain.
The priority is clearly to save injured and/or abandoned animals and make them happy and healthy. They seem to be doing a GREAT job of that, at the expense of a cheap couch. What's the 'upside down priority' or 'lack of foresight' you speak of?
Are you suggesting the cheap outdoor couch is more important than the baby elephant's happiness and well being? THAT sounds like an upside down priority to me.
enochsays...@Oxen_Morale
yeah..i am struggling to see how this is a liberal thing.
this is about saving a baby elephant that would have otherwise perished.
this is admirable.
the simple fact is that this woman made a choice and realized the consequences and decided those consequences were acceptable.
should she just have left the baby to die? while having the resources,time and patience to nurture this baby elephant to health,and possible giving it a happy life?
i have saved:baby squirrels,muskrats,racoons,rats and adopted countless puppies,kittens and even birds on occasion.
should i have left them to perish as well?
i think your snap judgement was not very well-thought out.
were you aware there are elephant sanctuaries that accept retired circus elephants and former zoo elephants?
i bet this lady knows about them.so while your concern about this babies future is admirable,this woman knows what she is doing.
newtboysays...Um...no....I don't see that.
First, what would your alternative be, knowing that baby elephants NEED a family structure to thrive, and often just die when they don't have one? Would you just put it in a cage with no contact and just hope it survives? Bad idea.
I see she is doing this because baby elephants need this interaction from a 'family' unit, or they either wither and die or survive, but become rouges that have never known herd life in any way and are problem elephants that get shot.
If it were all about herself at the animals expense, why are the other less social animals not brought onto the porch? I'll answer, because they don't need to be.
Perhaps before calling out the behavior of those who's life has been spent successfully rescuing, rehabilitating, and reintroducing to the wild abandoned and injured animals you should do a little research on what those animals require?
Right, happy for how long, happy when they are placed back in the wild and get shot for invading someone's house? OR happy when they don't know how to find food on their own and survive?
Don't you see she is not doing this for just the animals but she is really doing this for herself at the animals expense. Just like a spoiling parent.
Oxen_Moralesays...Admirable indeed it is to save a life, any. But this is not the issue, the issue is HOW she "saved" it. Allowing the elephant to be boss inside the house is not equipping it for the rest of its life unless it will become the alpha in her house for the rest of its life.
So onto my original premise: liberals are short sighted:
She did make a choice to save the elephant and as we all agree this was a noble and admirable thing but short sighted in not seeing beyond the immediate good feeling for rescuing an elephant that it needs to be prepared for the rest f its life and short sighted in letting it into the house in the first place not seeing that that would establish a precedent would not be realistic in the future.
So... she should have saved it from the water yes, taken it home perhaps if it needed medical attention, but the ideal would have been to return it to its herd. They would have received it. So if the herd was not found then keep it outside as close to what nature would be like until it could be re-introduced to the wild.
So when you rescued all those animals did you let them sleep with you? Eat food out of your plate? Let them run wild and do whatever they like? I'm sure to a degree yes but as a whole no.
By the way thank you for saving those animals.
@Oxen_Morale
yeah..i am struggling to see how this is a liberal thing.
this is about saving a baby elephant that would have otherwise perished.
this is admirable.
the simple fact is that this woman made a choice and realized the consequences and decided those consequences were acceptable.
should she just have left the baby to die? while having the resources,time and patience to nurture this baby elephant to health,and possible giving it a happy life?
i have saved:baby squirrels,muskrats,racoons,rats and adopted countless puppies,kittens and even birds on occasion.
should i have left them to perish as well?
i think your snap judgement was not very well-thought out.
were you aware there are elephant sanctuaries that accept retired circus elephants and former zoo elephants?
i bet this lady knows about them.so while your concern about this babies future is admirable,this woman knows what she is doing.
grahamslamsays...Just a troll trying to find a way to inject your political view into a video about a woman saving a baby elephant, among other animals. There is a place called Fox News where you can go high five other like minded thinkers in some of their forums where they don't offer solutions to problems but just attack others for not thinking like themselves.
So onto my original premise: liberals are short sighted:
Blah blah blibbity blah
enochsays...@grahamslam
oh,i dont think that is true.
if @Oxen_Morale had just dropped that and walked away or kept hammering that point i could agree with you,but if you notice he has responded and hasn't made the "liberal" remark an issue.
i think he was using the term "liberal" to express the "good intentions sometimes have bad consequences",and i think he is focusing on the consequences.
while others and myself are focusing on her intentions,which are admirable,and @Oxen_Morale agrees.he also is pointing to the destruction of her home and the possible outcome of being around humans too long,which could affect this baby elephants future.
those are not bad points.i see where he is coming from.
i just happen to disagree.i think this woman took on the responsibility full aware of the repercussions and appears to be quite knowledgeable in regards to elephants.
newtboysays...Again, you either ignore or are ignorant of the social needs of baby elephants....even though I've explained it repeatedly. Baby elephants NEED social interaction constantly, without it they usually die.
Often a herd will not accept a baby back. I'm not saying they shouldn't have tried, but it's not always possible. It's actually likely they did try and it was rejected, since they seemingly knew which herd it came from.
Keeping it outside as close to what nature would be like means someone or a few someone's need to live outside with it 24/7. Leaving it outside alone is almost certain death.
Again, this woman has spent her life rescuing and rehabilitating orphaned and injured animals successfully. I'm pretty sure she knows what that baby elephant needs more than you or I, and she's clearly the best option they have available. Yes, perhaps it's not the perfect solution to make it comfortable around people, but elephants are not wolves. Baby elephants are NEVER left alone in the wild. You can't just make them afraid of humans as infants, they need someone to care for them and they NEED interactions with others.
In this case, it seemed like there was a choice. Either take in this baby and treat is as a baby, with all the social needs a baby has, or don't treat it as a baby in need of constant contact and let it die. Neither is a perfect solution, but saving it is the preferable one. Perhaps it won't be able to be re-introduced to the wild because of how it's being raised...that's better than just letting it die IMO, which I see as the only alternative to her care.
Admirable indeed it is to save a life, any. But this is not the issue, the issue is HOW she "saved" it. Allowing the elephant to be boss inside the house is not equipping it for the rest of its life unless it will become the alpha in her house for the rest of its life.
So onto my original premise: liberals are short sighted:
She did make a choice to save the elephant and as we all agree this was a noble and admirable thing but short sighted in not seeing beyond the immediate good feeling for rescuing an elephant that it needs to be prepared for the rest f its life and short sighted in letting it into the house in the first place not seeing that that would establish a precedent would not be realistic in the future.
So... she should have saved it from the water yes, taken it home perhaps if it needed medical attention, but the ideal would have been to return it to its herd. They would have received it. So if the herd was not found then keep it outside as close to what nature would be like until it could be re-introduced to the wild.
So when you rescued all those animals did you let them sleep with you? Eat food out of your plate? Let them run wild and do whatever they like? I'm sure to a degree yes but as a whole no.
By the way thank you for saving those animals.
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