Peace Activist Quotes Constitution to FBI Agents

She's armed with her rights and a video camera
vaire2ubesays...

Good for her. I really thought she was going to answer straight away that the US was causing destruction and pain to others, but managed to wait until the end and only give them the tip of the iceberg that shows the absurdity of the situation occurring on this womans porch and in the middle east

Sagemindsays...

I understand the whole "rights" thing, but, why wouldn't she answer the question?

If the police showed up at my door asking if I knew of anyone planning to destroy property or hurt people - I'd say, "no". There is no reason to say anything else.

If she did know of something or someone, she would still say no.
The only reason to lie here is to protect yourself but if you are doing something illegal, you aren't going to tell them. You'd still say "No".

It doesn't make sense why they are there from the start though. To show up and ask a question that "Everyone" would say no to (other than this woman - for some reason)seem kind of strange in of itself.

I think it raises the question - What were they really there for?
The only thing I can think of is, looking for informants to give them a chance to talk up rumors they might have heard about said offenses.

dgandhisays...

From the images she interspersed with the video, I'm inclined to think that her answer is "Yes, the Israeli military is currently destroying property and killing people with the material and political support of the US government", but she does not want that in her FBI file, and she does not want to commit the crime of lying to federal agents either. >> ^Sagemind:
If the police showed up at my door asking if I knew of anyone planning to destroy property or hurt people - I'd say, "no". There is no reason to say anything else.

VoodooVsays...

I like how she keeps trotting out the whole Mother of Five thing. Is it somehow impossible to be a mother of five and also to know of anyone wishing to harm others/property

Sorry...but the woman is a dick the way she was treating those guys. They came to her peacably and asked a pretty simple question. She refused to answer and they acknowledge that she had that right. They left peacably. In return, she treated them like shit and complete disrespect. How is she the hero in all this? On the other hand, the agents were completely respectful and professional and didn't stoop to her level.

I saw the intro to the video and half expected to see a gun pointed at her when she opened the door the way she hyped it up and made it all doom and gloom sounding.

gharksays...

>> ^VoodooV:

I like how she keeps trotting out the whole Mother of Five thing. Is it somehow impossible to be a mother of five and also to know of anyone wishing to harm others/property
Sorry...but the woman is a dick the way she was treating those guys. They came to her peacably and asked a pretty simple question. She refused to answer and they acknowledge that she had that right. They left peacably. In return, she treated them like shit and complete disrespect. How is she the hero in all this? On the other hand, the agents were completely respectful and professional and didn't stoop to her level.
I saw the intro to the video and half expected to see a gun pointed at her when she opened the door the way she hyped it up and made it all doom and gloom sounding.


Well, she expressed her opinion in public and the FBI knocked on her door - how would you feel if the FBI knocked on your door due to something as simple as making your post on the internet, would you feel it was necessary?

VoodooVsays...

you're jumping to a lot of conclusions here. You're trying to paint her as some sort of victim here and she isn't. No rights were violated. she wasn't harassed. There is no fascist state here.

FBI doesn't have the right to ask questions?

We're not getting the whole story here. It could have had nothing to do with her. Someone else at the protest could have threatened to cause damage to people or property and they were trying to find out what they could.

But to answer your question. As others have pointed out...there was no reason to not simply answer the question other than to be a dick. Do you have a right to be a dick...sure. Why would you want to be one though. If the FBI wanted to ask me questions....I'd answer them because I have no reason to withhold anything. Simple as that. The agents did everything proper and went out of their way to be respectful to her. End of story. They left of their own accord too...she didn't tell them to leave.

packosays...

>> ^VoodooV:
you're jumping to a lot of conclusions here. You're trying to paint her as some sort of victim here and she isn't. No rights were violated. she wasn't harassed. There is no fascist state here.
FBI doesn't have the right to ask questions?
We're not getting the whole story here. It could have had nothing to do with her. Someone else at the protest could have threatened to cause damage to people or property and they were trying to find out what they could.
But to answer your question. As others have pointed out...there was no reason to not simply answer the question other than to be a dick. Do you have a right to be a dick...sure. Why would you want to be one though. If the FBI wanted to ask me questions....I'd answer them because I have no reason to withhold anything. Simple as that. The agents did everything proper and went out of their way to be respectful to her. End of story. They left of their own accord too...she didn't tell them to leave.


have to agree with this
Federal Bureau of Investigation.... ie, they probably go out and investigate things
Police do the same thing, when they go around and ask people in the neighbourhood if they say anything suspicious.
The cause she supporting isn't in question here, her reason for pleading the 1st is, the question is harmless... she's so smart, she's probably flagged herself. And this probably has nothing to do with her beyond the fact she was involved in a movement where the FBI may have gotten information about/from regarding certain people making threats against people/property.
As much as she's trying to make this seem sinister, it really isn't. The problem with the whole conspiracy theory of all government institutions being against the common man fails when you realize the government for the most part is made up of the common man, which leads to the conclusion that for the conspiracy to be real, ALOT of people have to be complacent/silent. The best you could say is that for evil men to succeed all that is necessary is for good people to do nothing. And again, thats ALOT of people.

And yeah, the "mother of five" thing is a joke in terms of it being able to overcome the burden of proof... because noone who is a mother (or even a mother of 5) has ever committed a crime. ???


All I saw was the FBI being polite and non-threatening, and her being an asshat.

GeeSussFreeKsays...

My dad has her beat. He put up a "Vote for Bush" (read my lips bush) on his balcony when Clinton was running...just to be silly. He got a visit from the secret service. They showed up as his door, and asked him some questions. One of which, was "Do you have plans to overthrow the United States Government?" to which his replay was *slightly long pause*..."Well, not yet!". As you can imagine, this response elicited a longer conversation. After they figured out he was just a silly old rabbler rouser, they left. There are always going to be these slight kind of run-ins when you have peoples who are free and also have an additional set of people tasked with keeping people "safe".

There was no harm done here either way in the end, the lady didn't get arrested for doing nothing wrong, and she wasn't overly rude beyond what an annoyed person should be for being questioned like this (it is scary, it is the FBI...on your doorstep, fucken scary). But I still find more problem with her being even questioned more than I have a problem with how she acted. Seemingly, the whole point of this contact wasn't for "investigation", but to either scare her into a recourse of action that she would regret, or to admit to something they could pin her with to arrest her. They questions were so vague, and the aim of their investigation so ambiguous, you can tell this was just them setting up land mines for her to crash into. She avoided them mostly, and perhaps not as nicely as they were setting them up for her to fall into, but someone being nice as they investigate you for crimes they want to charge you with doesn't necessarily put you in a good mood. It is like wishing someone a good day as you fire shots above their head. They were doing a hard job, yes. But was it a job worth doing, debatable. I think her response was in line with that debate. Not a hero, just a person doing the best they could.

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