Fucking seriously. You're an absolute idiot if you think he's still alive.

If he was, he'd sure as shit make a video saying otherwise. It would be a great opportunity for him to bolster more support for his cause and to embarrass the US.

I just don't trust the US government. And I don't understand why they destroyed all the real evidence (AKA the body). The kernal of truth here is the US government lies to it's own people and the world around them. They are governed by Big Business and Big Oil - They have never given us a reason to believe anything they feed us. I will not eat at the table of the US Propaganda Machine.

I'm not saying he's not dead, I'm not saying he is.
I'm saying, I don't care what tools the US Gov use to convince me they are the good guys, I know that they are the bully-on-the-block and they will do and say anything they want and shift their weight to make what ever they say stand true.

I refuse to listen to and stand behind a government that isn't mine when I've seen them screw over the Canadian People time and time again. I know the US stands for the US first. If the people of the US cow to their government or stand beside them and fight to defend their government, it is of no concern to me.

As an onlooker from another Country, it looks suspicious to me. There are a lot of politics being played here which is spiced with a tone of propaganda and I don't have to be crazy to see it.

I must also say here, and this is important, that I don't dislike the people of the US in any way. They are all people. It's the Government, the leaders, the rule makers and the controlling persons at the top of the machine that are your keepers that I take umbrage with. I think most Americans are pretty cool.

Did I just say all of that?
I'm ranting now, and I didn't meant to so I'll quit now - sorry about that
I'm having a bad day here already, and I guess it just came out here in a glob.

>> ^Sagemind:

I just don't trust the US government. And I don't understand why they destroyed all the real evidence (AKA the body).

Because he's not a trophy, as much as the average meat head dip-shit would like to believe. Gloating over his corpse is below the level that the US thinks of itsself, and rightly so. Doing so would be no better than those they fight.

I'm really not a lover of the US generally (oh how their crap gets into every pore of our lives), but i appauld them for taking the higher moral ground on this. Aside from all else, why pour petrol on the fire ? People can not believe it if they want and that's fine, as no unneeded anger leading to even more deaths gets caused that way at least.

Also, it would be an incredible bluff to make as it's so easily disproved. The fact that there's been no instant refusal should speak volumes.

Again, like the birther issue, for Bin Laden to still be alive would require a massive conspiracy in which all feuding parties agree to participate in. The US would have to be involved, Bin Laden's wife, Pakistan and Al Qaeda. Conspiracy theories ask us to be suspicious of small oddities or coincidences, but we're supposed to swallow that two factions that have killed each other by the thousands are actually BFFs that are trying to get you to pay an extra dollar a gallon every-time you fill up at the pump.

As much as I want to marginalize all the conspiracy theorists as nutbags. I just can't accept some psychiatrist as a reliable source of information to conclusively prove that Osama is dead. The interview just reeked too much of punditry.

Do I believe Osama is dead, sure. Is it possible the gov't is lying to us on this, certainly. There is definitely a need to have a healthy level of skepticism, but we're definitely getting to that point where ideology is just getting in the way too much and all we see are lies and conspiracies.

If you really believe that strongly that you absolutely cannot trust our gov't to that large of a degree. Then seriously, I have to ask...why are you living here? Is it just our gov't you don't trust, or just all gov't? Even if you hate all gov't that much....It's just time for you to leave. It's time for you to put your money where your mouth is, pack up, and go live the mountain man lifestyle.

If you're right, and we really can't trust are gov't the way the pundits would have you believe, it's in your own best interest to get the heck out of dodge.

It's more likely they're just making noise and just trolling. There are simply no consequences to calling your gov't a liar. Not that I'm saying there should be. But talk is cheap.

We either need to fucking ignore the trolls and move on, or hold their feet to the fire and put the burden of proof on them. Prove that 9/11 was an inside job. Prove that Osama is still alive. Prove that Obama is a Muslim Socialist Kenyan. Otherwise STFU.

Anything less is just noise to be tuned out and not given any more credibility.

>> ^Crosswords:

Again, like the birther issue, for Bin Laden to still be alive would require a massive conspiracy in which all feuding parties agree to participate in. The US would have to be involved, Bin Laden's wife, Pakistan and Al Qaeda. Conspiracy theories ask us to be suspicious of small oddities or coincidences, but we're supposed to swallow that two factions that have killed each other by the thousands are actually BFFs that are trying to get you to pay an extra dollar a gallon every-time you fill up at the pump.


Exactly. Nobody is required to have some sort of blind trust in Obama or the US government, you simply need to believe that the US really is at war with Al Qaeda.

There's no advantage for Obama in lying about a thing like this. Hell, there's a huge risk in saying anything about it if you're less than 99.9% sure you're right. If you're wrong (or lie about it), Osama bin Laden can pretty easily prove he's still alive by making a videotape where he holds up a post May 1st newspaper, and destroy the US's reputation without leaving his own back yard.

Why do the two possible scenarios need be: 1. He was killed in the raid or 2. He was not killed, and is still free?

More likely than 2., is that 3. he was CAPTURED and is in custody.

He can not prove his metabolism to the world if he is dead or captured.

You do not need to be crazy to believe this 3rd scenario is possible.

He is surely not free, you would be crazy to believe so. We will never know if he is dead or in custody, and it is plausible that the government would lie about this detail.

Yes, you must blindly believe everything the Government tells you or else you are batshit insane!

Disclaimer: No I don't think the Government lied about killing Osama Bin Laden.

Guys, Al-Qaeda confirmed his death. What else could you possibly want - a long form death certificate?!

For the record, she's not saying that you're crazy if you don't believe the government. She's saying if it's to the point that no matter what evidence is presented to you you still won't believe it, then you're acting irrationally.

She's absolutely right.

For the record, no evidence has been presented.

Al Qaeda can not confirm his death. They can only confirm that he is no longer answering his phone when they call.

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For the record, no evidence has been presented.
Al Qaeda can not confirm his death. They can only confirm that he is no longer answering his phone when they call.


Not a court of Law...when you hear Al Qaeda and the wife saying it's true...maybe it's time to let your love of OBL go.

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