A Vet Who Understands the Enemy We Face

"President Obama this week once again called Islam "a great religion" which has been "distorted" by a small number of "extremists" to justify committing acts of violence against the West.

But the Qur'an (or Koran) itself, the holy book of Islam, contains over 100 verses calling for violence against Christians and Jews. To give just one example, Sura 9:5 says, "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them."

During a panel discussion sponsored by the Hudson Institute last January, retired Army Lt. Colonel Allen West, who did combat duty in Iraq, responded to a Marine who asked the question, how do you answer people who say that terrorists are following a "warped" version of Islam?

Col. West, by the way, was elected last week to Congress, to represent Florida's 22nd congressional district. He will be the first African-American Republican congressman to represent Florida since 1870."

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bobknight33says...

Good Vid. He hits it right on the nail.

The USA media have been burring their heads and not informing the people how dangerous Muslims are.

Let him run for President and stop this evil perverted murderous religion.

SDGundamXsays...

So, out of 6332 verses, about 100 of them call for violence against non-believers. That's less than 2% of the total verses. I wonder how the Bible would fair in such an analysis?

Oh, and of course none of those historical events he mentioned had anything to do with geopolitical/economic gain. It was all religion's fault, right? Just like, say, the massacre at Columbine was all video games fault? And America's economic problems are all illegal Mexicans fault? See, scaremongering is both easy AND fun!

Trancecoachsays...

I know many Muslims, and the truly thing dangerous about ANY religion, whether it is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or any of the others is the Fundamentalist Interpretation.

He is speaking about gaining a thorough understanding and knowledge about ones combatants which is always a good idea -- regardless of the orientation. Frankly, I'm surprised by the blanket statements said here about Islam based on a selection of fundamentalist sects.

The same can be said of any fundamentalist group.

timtonersays...

Some comments:

1) "Idolators" really doesn't refer to followers of Judaism or Christians. Idolatry was outlawed in the Ten Commandments. That being said, there's a whole lotta bowin' and genuflectin' in the Roman Catholic Church. Still, that's NOT what was meant by 'idolators'. It referred to the pagan/animistic precursors of Islam, and it called for a zero tolerance policy toward those who were not 'people of the book'. So effective was this that there really are none around today.

2) If I read him right, he's calling for Crusade. I mean, all those guys were fighting defensive wars, and they managed to drive the Muslim invasion away from their doorsteps. However, the reason WHY they were fighting in Vienna and Constantinople and Lepanto was that Charles Martel stopped them at Tours, then let them walk away--keep all of Spain, in fact. Now all this seems to ignore that there was a whole lot of tit-for-tat fighting going on. They'd attack Christian Europe, and Christian Europe would attack them right back. In almost all cases, the conflict was couched in a religious context, but was really more of a geopolitical struggle. The only thing that could stop this struggle is the aforementioned Crusade, except this one would end with two significant cities in the Arabian Peninsula wiped off the map. The thing is--he tells us what might help, but he doesn't for a moment suggest what we could do in the modern context. This is the worst kind of 'expert'--someone who will freely share all the problems, and say that the solutions are quite apparent, and then fail to share what those solutions might be.

3) I've had several students over the years (I taught high school) actively try to convert me to Islam. I'd listen to them, because it was something about which they were passionate, and you never want to dampen their spirits. I would then pull out a map, and show them the growth of Islam. I'd ask them how it got from Mecca to Tours in 100 years. Inevitably they'd come up with some wonderful fairy tale about how people would hear the words of the Prophet, and convert on the spot. I then pointed out that they pretty much cut their way across North Africa, and swept into Spain, and if not for Charles Martel, Christianity might have been wiped off the earth. Did they think that Martel was the first person to say, "No, thanks?" This usually made them quite uncomfortable, because what followed that period was a time of (relative) peace in an area not known for its stability. "How many people honestly and openly chose Islam, do you think?" Again, they'd get uncomfortable. Is Islam all about peace? Sure it is--as long as Islam is on top. But that's pretty much the story with Christianity, right? That's the source of all this talk about America being a "Christian" nation. It seems to have little to do with actual tenets of faith, and everything to do with BRAND IDENTITY.

The real question, then, is this: How many modern Muslims are willing to go back to the old way of doing things? Damn few, it turns out. That's what this whole "perversion" thing is about. Those who would ignore EVERYTHING the modern world offers and KILL PEOPLE to get it are, in fact, very few in numbers, but the fruits of this modern world allow small groups of determined people to unleash mayhem. People like that can be found in every faith, political party, and ideology. The idea that their way might not be the right way scares the hell out of them, and they'd do anything to feel absolutely sure. How do we fight this? How have we ever fought ignorance? Knowledge and time. Crusade never works.

thinker247says...

The enemy of which he speaks is not your average Muslim, trying to grasp our American Dream. He speaks of die-hard Quranic literalists who pervert the scriptures in order to replace our modern society with the bigotry and chauvinism of a denominationally-driven caliphate. Fundamentalist devotees of any belief will continue to abate true liberty until humanity wipes itself or them from the earth, and with all his historical insight, Lt. Colonel West should understand this more than anyone. His focus is misguided and will only serve to inflame all Muslims.

Yogisays...

>> ^bobknight33:

Good Vid. He hits it right on the nail.
The USA media have been burring their heads and not informing the people how dangerous Muslims are.
Let him run for President and stop this evil perverted murderous religion.


I don't understand.

How you got to be.

This Fucking Stupid.

Morganthsays...

>> ^Trancecoach:

I know many Muslims, and the truly thing dangerous about ANY religion, whether it is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or any of the others is the Fundamentalist Interpretation.
He is speaking about gaining a thorough understanding and knowledge about ones combatants which is always a good idea -- regardless of the orientation. Frankly, I'm surprised by the blanket statements said here about Islam based on a selection of fundamentalist sects.
The same can be said of any fundamentalist group.


No, it depends on what the fundamental is. If the Amish aren't fundamental, then no one is and no one seems to have problems with them.

ponceleonsays...

>> ^bobknight33:

Good Vid. He hits it right on the nail.
The USA media have been burring their heads and not informing the people how dangerous Muslims are.
Let him run for President and stop this evil perverted murderous religion.


Let me guess, you are a member of the "right" religion?

All religions are based on out-dated bullshit. People decided what they want and don't want to practice. On one level it is downright bigotted to lump everyone who is islamic into the same boat and on the other it is naive to assume that islam is in any way different from christianity, judeism, scientology, twilight readers, whatever.

Trancecoachsays...

And you honestly believe that?

>> ^Morganth:

>> ^Trancecoach:
I know many Muslims, and the truly thing dangerous about ANY religion, whether it is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or any of the others is the Fundamentalist Interpretation.
He is speaking about gaining a thorough understanding and knowledge about ones combatants which is always a good idea -- regardless of the orientation. Frankly, I'm surprised by the blanket statements said here about Islam based on a selection of fundamentalist sects.
The same can be said of any fundamentalist group.

No, it depends on what the fundamental is. If the Amish aren't fundamental, then no one is and no one seems to have problems with them.


>> ^Morganth:

>> ^Trancecoach:
I know many Muslims, and the truly thing dangerous about ANY religion, whether it is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or any of the others is the Fundamentalist Interpretation.
He is speaking about gaining a thorough understanding and knowledge about ones combatants which is always a good idea -- regardless of the orientation. Frankly, I'm surprised by the blanket statements said here about Islam based on a selection of fundamentalist sects.
The same can be said of any fundamentalist group.

No, it depends on what the fundamental is. If the Amish aren't fundamental, then no one is and no one seems to have problems with them.

Drachen_Jagersays...

>> ^tedbater:

>> ^Drachen_Jager:
You do know that the bible calls for similar things right?
All religion is bad.

Really? Where?
Please back statements like this up.


Are you even slightly serious?

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

This is just a sampling, should I go on?

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