Nein, du Dummkopf, Österreich nicht Australien.

Nicht downunder.

*keinkanal
*dunkel
*angst
*feuer
>> ^BoneRemake:

australians eh? not canadian eh.. hrm sayyyy *downunder ? say ?
Eh ?

It's obviously a statement about existential angst superimposed over a leitmotif of popular culture--pfft.

The thumbnail image for this video has been updated - thumbnail added by Lawdeedaw.

>> ^bobknight33:

Fuck the cops. They are disrespectful towards the people. The jack off cop could have answered his question and handled this a lot better. Again Fuck the COPS


your 16 year old self called, he wants his teenage angst back

Why does anyone would have any angst at all? So what if he doesn't care to learn the language? He's an American citizen, and can do as he pleases. There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to suggest that he should speak English. He could be a tenth generation American, and a native speaker of English, and he could choose to give his testimony in broken high school Spanish. That's his prerogative.>> ^smooman:

in either case, my overall angst is this: anyone who spends over 2 decades in a foreign nation and still cannot speak the language tells me one of three things:

1) that he has, in over 20 years, never left a community that speaks only his language and has thus had zero interaction with anyone outside the community.

2) that he really doesnt care to learn the language

3) or he is one in the probably tens of thousands that has some sort of innate inability to learn a foreign language

i find 1 and 2 to be far more probable, so much so, that number 3 is all but dismissed. furthermore i find number 1 to be quite rare in itself (itd have to be a small, entirely self sufficient community of which very few exist and would mostly be found in the desert and mountain regions)

therefor option 2 becomes the most likely explanation by orders of magnitude
I've been a teacher of English as a second language for seven years, and from this clip, I'd say he's probably proficient, but he's not native.
>> ^smooman:

NOW HAVING SAID THAT, after my second viewing of the video, it is my speculation that this particular man does, in fact, speak english, and probably quite well. It is also my speculation that he is choosing spanish primarily so those who he is representing can understand what he is saying, although i suspect it would be more effective the other way around: if he spoke english to the board or whatever and his interpreter translated what he and the board were saying to the non english speakers. As far as i could tell the interpreter was only translating what the rep was saying, he didnt translate anything anyone else was saying so its kind of like listening to one persons phone conversation; you know what one person is saying but cant understand anything the other is
Do you have any comment on the senator saying, "It's insulting to us"?

^messenger:

It's not a rule. It's him. That on guy. If he (that on guy) is still that weak in English after he (that one guy) has spent 25 odd years in America, he (that one guy) will never be a native speaker.
You say you don't care, but then you fly in full of piss and vinegar and "fucking bullshit" and "...cannot or will not speak ... it's telling.... 20 damn years..." and so on. It's no impartial. You clearly feel strongly that he should speak English, that he was wrong to speak Spanish. I disagree. I think it was fine. He has no duty nor obligation, legal nor social to speak anything but the language of his choice.
@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/smooman" title="member since October 28th, 2008" class="profilelink">smooman said:
> > sigh i mentioned it as an exception to your rule: "No matter how long he spends in the country (with no official language), he will never achieve native speaker level. Never." thus disproving the rule.
you are suggesting that he has some obligation to me. I couldnt care less that this particular man cannot or will not speak the de facto language of the nation he's been a citizen of for over two decades. I think its telling quite a bit about any person who could live in a foreign nation for over 20 damn years and not pick up the language but beyond that, i really dont care what language they speak



meh, i took "he" as the infinitive plural i guess. however at best all you could do is speculate that he cannot speak the language no matter what (any absolute statement such as yours is a bold one)

in either case, my overall angst is this: anyone who spends over 2 decades in a foreign nation and still cannot speak the language tells me one of three things:

1) that he has, in over 20 years, never left a community that speaks only his language and has thus had zero interaction with anyone outside the community.

2) that he really doesnt care to learn the language

3) or he is one in the probably tens of thousands that has some sort of innate inability to learn a foreign language

i find 1 and 2 to be far more probable, so much so, that number 3 is all but dismissed. furthermore i find number 1 to be quite rare in itself (itd have to be a small, entirely self sufficient community of which very few exist and would mostly be found in the desert and mountain regions)

therefor option 2 becomes the most likely explanation by orders of magnitude



NOW HAVING SAID THAT, after my second viewing of the video, it is my speculation that this particular man does, in fact, speak english, and probably quite well. It is also my speculation that he is choosing spanish primarily so those who he is representing can understand what he is saying, although i suspect it would be more effective the other way around: if he spoke english to the board or whatever and his interpreter translated what he and the board were saying to the non english speakers. As far as i could tell the interpreter was only translating what the rep was saying, he didnt translate anything anyone else was saying so its kind of like listening to one persons phone conversation; you know what one person is saying but cant understand anything the other is

who pissed in this dudes cheerios? probably one of us mean, dumbshit, superstitious, religious peoples, huh? Grand generalizations are hilarious.

the teenage angst in the video was quite palpable

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^smooman:
>> ^spoco2:
Shit, could someone just knock out the woman who kept saying 'Heavenly father, jesus,jesus, jesus'... 'Thankyou Jesus'. Right there is one of the fricken reasons why blind religion is so damn dangerous. It breeds a reliance on this 'god' fellow, it makes you abscond from having belief in yourself, from being able to handle things yourself, but rather you sit and wait for your damn 'heavenly father' to save you.

Bravo to the guys who took leadership and told people to stay calm and kept everyone safe, that was taking things into your own hands and helping others. A FAR more 'christian' thing to do than just weep to your lord. Bravo, bravo.

ya what was that woman thinking crying out to her personal lord in a moment of unspeakable vulnerability, fear, and traumatic angst?! I mean, her crying for help to the only being she perceives could help her in such a helpless event just paints her as the walking time bomb she really is!
we get it spoco, you hate religious people. they are beneath you. now fuck off

I know that you're religious, I know that you have a hard time not insulting anyone who disagrees with you (your commenting history shows it to be true), but if you can't see why her reaction to a crisis is a far worse reaction than those who actively helped, then we have nothing to talk about.


so lets, in your words, knock her out? keep trollin

>> ^smooman:

>> ^spoco2:
Shit, could someone just knock out the woman who kept saying 'Heavenly father, jesus,jesus, jesus'... 'Thankyou Jesus'. Right there is one of the fricken reasons why blind religion is so damn dangerous. It breeds a reliance on this 'god' fellow, it makes you abscond from having belief in yourself, from being able to handle things yourself, but rather you sit and wait for your damn 'heavenly father' to save you.

Bravo to the guys who took leadership and told people to stay calm and kept everyone safe, that was taking things into your own hands and helping others. A FAR more 'christian' thing to do than just weep to your lord. Bravo, bravo.

ya what was that woman thinking crying out to her personal lord in a moment of unspeakable vulnerability, fear, and traumatic angst?! I mean, her crying for help to the only being she perceives could help her in such a helpless event just paints her as the walking time bomb she really is!
we get it spoco, you hate religious people. they are beneath you. now fuck off


I know that you're religious, I know that you have a hard time not insulting anyone who disagrees with you (your commenting history shows it to be true), but if you can't see why her reaction to a crisis is a far worse reaction than those who actively helped, then we have nothing to talk about.

>> ^spoco2:

Shit, could someone just knock out the woman who kept saying 'Heavenly father, jesus,jesus, jesus'... 'Thankyou Jesus'. Right there is one of the fricken reasons why blind religion is so damn dangerous. It breeds a reliance on this 'god' fellow, it makes you abscond from having belief in yourself, from being able to handle things yourself, but rather you sit and wait for your damn 'heavenly father' to save you.

Bravo to the guys who took leadership and told people to stay calm and kept everyone safe, that was taking things into your own hands and helping others. A FAR more 'christian' thing to do than just weep to your lord. Bravo, bravo.


ya what was that woman thinking crying out to her personal lord in a moment of unspeakable vulnerability, fear, and traumatic angst?! I mean, her crying for help to the only being she perceives could help her in such a helpless event just paints her as the walking time bomb she really is!

we get it spoco, you hate religious people. they are beneath you. now fuck off

that comment was a bit distressed now that i think about it. that frustration and angst wasnt directed at any one in particular on here (yet) just on the issue in general. my apologies if anyone felt the snide remarks were directed at them =)

Time to get philosophical on y'all:

>> ^ghark:

>> ^kceaton1:
>> ^ghark:
man that description is a bunch of nonsense, they are still the same band they just softened up their music and used heaps of slo-mo in the video.

Haters got to hate.
This is also the most mellow song on the album. I can agree with a lot of what you said. In fact I initially a few songs of LPs when they came out. Then I hated them by their second album and I still can only listen to remixes of a few songs; the rest feel like I'm getting an ear infection drilled into place. The albums to me are far "pop" aimed and were a complete teenage angst phase type music, in my music listening experience (it also explains their initial fan base. But, they're getting older and their tastes as well as their music will change). They were very young when they started. I know that from when I was twenty to know that my music (hell, everything) dramatically shifted.
I used to be an old school rap enthusiast and now I'm more of a Tool--metal/rock/progressive rock fan (like The Mars Volta, Lacuna Coil, Boston, The Beatles, Dream Theater, Soilwork, and Opeth--and on occasion I listen to Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog, The College Boyz, Cypress Hill, Icecube, and Eminem--who happens to be the only current rapper I musically like, Kanye West is O.K., but his personality tries my ability to like those songs, harshly.
Look at the video below that comes up at the bottom of this video(Linkin Park: Waiting For The End). See if that has any different value to you. Hopefully, it's listed below or you'll have to find it (I doubt you will look for it though, as it sounds like you hated them the day they came out and never gave them a second chance, especially since you took time out of your day to post your hate; I rarely do the same either, as bands do accrue a "reputation", like Nickelback--who I hate fiercely). It has much more impressive visuals than this slow-motion video, but shows "a bit" of their differences on the album. That's as far as I go in defending their NEW album; but you're free to go ahead and hate.
I doubt you've heard the album at all (the full thing not just the radio elements). As I'd guess you'd have slightly more meat to your hate, or a full opinion. In other words, you hate them for a lot of the reasons I hated them; also due to the fact that it was popular to do so.
This album is episodic; each part starting from the last, which just from that perspective, is a more traditional album and not like LP in the past. That is their main evolution. I should have been more specific that they seem to be -slowly- taking a more rock'n'roll/progressive approach to newer stuff. That's the biggest change. There sound has matured slightly. Mostly the hip-hop/rap styles/styling and the biggest change is in their synthetic/midi board use. Anyway, don't think I'm giving them the easy way out and complete, unflinching support, that has yet to be earned. Maybe in two more albums--if they continue in the same direction...
small edit- I hope I don't sound to harsh talking about you opinion, as I only wanted to make my viewpoint clear. I also changed various areas in my description that I think created your hate to "overflow". I meant evolution in only the most modest of terms, they are still very much a band that needs to change. But, they are taking some of those steps and I commend them for it. Most bands stagnate and rely only on what they know. Again, if you don't think they've evolved their sound I don't think you've given them a fair chance (not that you have to; just don't post your opinion and expect it to be left alone).

I'm not hating on the music, I really like Linkin Park, I'm just stating that I think your description of the music is taking things too far, adding lots of slow motion shots and screaming less is not growing up. Their new music is a bit knee jerk imo, they copped a lot of criticism and they are trying to overcompensate to please people, instead they should follow their own path, and personally I do not believe that they are doing this. So I guess that is where our opinions differ.


Alright, I see where you're coming from. We can agree to disagree; I think your point is very valid, as their music could have gone in a thousand different directions. I happen to like this direction and you don't; I can deal with that. It was more the attack on the description that irked me. But, I don't blame you as after re-reading it, it comes off as a "you-should-have-this-point-of-view". I appreciate your feedback. I hope you do as well. I like what they've become (I haven't paid much attention to them in the past to be honest, so if their hand "musically" was a forced issue--I'd be on your side most likely).

I'm an artist, drawing wise, and if someone was hating on my artistry I wouldn't change it for them no matter what. As I do it for myself and to express myself how I want. If you sell that out, I'd have to say that you've lost any credibility you had (and if LP did that; it makes me think less of them now). But, more importantly you lose your "heart", which you need badly in any art. You lose that aspect and you'll grow to hate yourself (the downward spiral so to speak).

>> ^kceaton1:

>> ^ghark:
man that description is a bunch of nonsense, they are still the same band they just softened up their music and used heaps of slo-mo in the video.

Haters got to hate.
This is also the most mellow song on the album. I can agree with a lot of what you said. In fact I initially a few songs of LPs when they came out. Then I hated them by their second album and I still can only listen to remixes of a few songs; the rest feel like I'm getting an ear infection drilled into place. The albums to me are far "pop" aimed and were a complete teenage angst phase type music, in my music listening experience (it also explains their initial fan base. But, they're getting older and their tastes as well as their music will change). They were very young when they started. I know that from when I was twenty to know that my music (hell, everything) dramatically shifted.
I used to be an old school rap enthusiast and now I'm more of a Tool--metal/rock/progressive rock fan (like The Mars Volta, Lacuna Coil, Boston, The Beatles, Dream Theater, Soilwork, and Opeth--and on occasion I listen to Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog, The College Boyz, Cypress Hill, Icecube, and Eminem--who happens to be the only current rapper I musically like, Kanye West is O.K., but his personality tries my ability to like those songs, harshly.
Look at the video below that comes up at the bottom of this video(Linkin Park: Waiting For The End). See if that has any different value to you. Hopefully, it's listed below or you'll have to find it (I doubt you will look for it though, as it sounds like you hated them the day they came out and never gave them a second chance, especially since you took time out of your day to post your hate; I rarely do the same either, as bands do accrue a "reputation", like Nickelback--who I hate fiercely). It has much more impressive visuals than this slow-motion video, but shows "a bit" of their differences on the album. That's as far as I go in defending their NEW album; but you're free to go ahead and hate.
I doubt you've heard the album at all (the full thing not just the radio elements). As I'd guess you'd have slightly more meat to your hate, or a full opinion. In other words, you hate them for a lot of the reasons I hated them; also due to the fact that it was popular to do so.
This album is episodic; each part starting from the last, which just from that perspective, is a more traditional album and not like LP in the past. That is their main evolution. I should have been more specific that they seem to be -slowly- taking a more rock'n'roll/progressive approach to newer stuff. That's the biggest change. There sound has matured slightly. Mostly the hip-hop/rap styles/styling and the biggest change is in their synthetic/midi board use. Anyway, don't think I'm giving them the easy way out and complete, unflinching support, that has yet to be earned. Maybe in two more albums--if they continue in the same direction...
small edit- I hope I don't sound to harsh talking about you opinion, as I only wanted to make my viewpoint clear. I also changed various areas in my description that I think created your hate to "overflow". I meant evolution in only the most modest of terms, they are still very much a band that needs to change. But, they are taking some of those steps and I commend them for it. Most bands stagnate and rely only on what they know. Again, if you don't think they've evolved their sound I don't think you've given them a fair chance (not that you have to; just don't post your opinion and expect it to be left alone).


I'm not hating on the music, I really like Linkin Park, I'm just stating that I think your description of the music is taking things too far, adding lots of slow motion shots and screaming less is not growing up. Their new music is a bit knee jerk imo, they copped a lot of criticism and they are trying to overcompensate to please people, instead they should follow their own path, and personally I do not believe that they are doing this. So I guess that is where our opinions differ.

>> ^ghark:

man that description is a bunch of nonsense, they are still the same band they just softened up their music and used heaps of slo-mo in the video.

Haters got to hate.


This is also the most mellow song on the album. I can agree with a lot of what you said. In fact I initially a few songs of LPs when they came out. Then I hated them by their second album and I still can only listen to remixes of a few songs; the rest feel like I'm getting an ear infection drilled into place. The albums to me are far "pop" aimed and were a complete teenage angst phase type music, in my music listening experience (it also explains their initial fan base. But, they're getting older and their tastes as well as their music will change). They were very young when they started. I know that from when I was twenty to know that my music (hell, everything) dramatically shifted.

I used to be an old school rap enthusiast and now I'm more of a Tool--metal/rock/progressive rock fan (like The Mars Volta, Lacuna Coil, Boston, The Beatles, Dream Theater, Soilwork, and Opeth--and on occasion I listen to Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog, The College Boyz, Cypress Hill, Icecube, and Eminem--who happens to be the only current rapper I musically like, Kanye West is O.K., but his personality tries my ability to like those songs, harshly.

Look at the video below that comes up at the bottom of this video(Linkin Park: Waiting For The End). See if that has any different value to you. Hopefully, it's listed below or you'll have to find it (I doubt you will look for it though, as it sounds like you hated them the day they came out and never gave them a second chance, especially since you took time out of your day to post your hate; I rarely do the same either, as bands do accrue a "reputation", like Nickelback--who I hate fiercely). It has much more impressive visuals than this slow-motion video, but shows "a bit" of their differences on the album. That's as far as I go in defending their NEW album; but you're free to go ahead and hate.

I doubt you've heard the album at all (the full thing not just the radio elements). As I'd guess you'd have slightly more meat to your hate, or a full opinion. In other words, you hate them for a lot of the reasons I hated them; also due to the fact that it was popular to do so.

This album is episodic; each part starting from the last, which just from that perspective, is a more traditional album and not like LP in the past. That is their main evolution. I should have been more specific that they seem to be -slowly- taking a more rock'n'roll/progressive approach to newer stuff. That's the biggest change. There sound has matured slightly. Mostly the hip-hop/rap styles/styling and the biggest change is in their synthetic/midi board use. Anyway, don't think I'm giving them the easy way out and complete, unflinching support, that has yet to be earned. Maybe in two more albums--if they continue in the same direction...

small edit- I hope I don't sound to harsh talking about you opinion, as I only wanted to make my viewpoint clear. I also changed various areas in my description that I think created your hate to "overflow". I meant evolution in only the most modest of terms, they are still very much a band that needs to change. But, they are taking some of those steps and I commend them for it. Most bands stagnate and rely only on what they know. Again, if you don't think they've evolved their sound I don't think you've given them a fair chance (not that you have to; just don't post your opinion and expect it to be left alone).