I'm not expecting anything good out of this one. I mean, I didn't care for Star Trek (2009) either, but at least that one had some of the elements of what Star Trek was about. This looks like a run of the mill comic-book action movie.
I remember when Star Trek was about exploration, philosophy, politics, and discovery. Now it's become something much more mundane, and that's kind of sad, not just on the part of Hollywood, but also on the part of the general public, who can't seem to appreciate the deeper things nowadays.

Also, just because it's a movie doesn't mean you need to focus on some villain on a quest for vengeance all the time. Anyone remember Star Trek VI? I actually consider that to be the best of the Star Trek movies, with its deconstruction of the collapse of communism and how it affected those who lived in that era. Sure it wasn't as tight as Star Trek II, but it had a much greater impact.

Besides, whenever they try to do an amazing, new villain to rival Khan, they always forget to make the villain compelling and interesting. Khan had this advantage because of his background in Space Seed, whereas villains like Shinzon and Nero are bland and undeveloped. (Well, at least effort was made with Shinzon, but they failed to make him a compelling, sympathetic villain. Nero wasn't supposed to upstage the origin story of the crew, but in that case, was he really needed?)

Anyway, I've been kind of ranting about this with friends lately, and I guess that's spilled over to VS now. But that's my position, and I stand by it.

Isn't someone back for Vengeance every time? Wasn't this the same as the first remake and the last of the TNG movies as well? Come on people, I want some hard sci fi like the series.

The series were much better than the movies, because they could calm down for a second.

Maybe the cops a mime and he's abusing the authority that comes with his day job to meet-out vengeance..

Myth: Twinkies do not visibly decay, like shown in Ghost Rider - Spirit of Vengeance.

Myth confirmed!

The apostles were routinely beaten because of their faith, and this is how they responded:

Act 5:40-41

and when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name.

I am not judging the pastor, but he didn't and still isn't following scripture. He did not obey the lawful order of the officer, when Christians are to submit to the authorities:

Romans 13:1

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

This is what led him to get beaten and tazed, and even though they used excessive force, it was his disobedience which led to the action. Now, he is trying to get vengeance on the authorities through the court system. Yet this is what God says:

Heb_10:30 For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge his people."

I think he should be preaching forgiveness and love for those who hurt him, instead of decrying them and pursuing lawsuits.

4 felt like they forgot that he's just a cop who got pushed in to a bad situation each time (we all recall Holly's exasperated "Why does this keep happening to us?" in the second movie).

The usual problems of a series pushed past the point of good sense. With a vengeance would have been a good point to call it a day imo.

figured i would whore my video which ties into this one and is also a bill moyers video:
http://videosift.com/video/bill-moyers-and-company-ralph-reeds-rise-fall-and-return

yep..reed is back and with a jesus induced vengeance.

>> ^Payback:

Wild things do one of two things when faced with "unpleasantness"
1- They run away from it.
2- They strike down upon it with great vengeance and furious anger.
Ones that stick around and make giggly noises? They like what's happening.


3) They get eaten by it.

On the upside, that option generally only happens once.

my favorite is still vengeance dad: http://static.awkwardfamilyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/2012/09/Hollye-e1306175951118/3436563450.jpg

Wild things do one of two things when faced with "unpleasantness"

1- They run away from it.
2- They strike down upon it with great vengeance and furious anger.

Ones that stick around and make giggly noises? They like what's happening.

That move seemed to be a bit of vengeance, actually... The guy with the dashcam might've been hittin the brakes causing the guy behind to to lock it up to avoid an accident... To retaliate, he pulled in front of him and slowed way down.

Asshole-ish? Yes. Unjustified? Depends.

They do eventually move from the farm to another location (I'll try to keep spoilers at a minimum) in the graphic novels, but they've also veered off from the novels quite a bit, so who knows what Kirkman and the writers have up their sleeves. I have a feeling that they're taking the cookie cutter approach though; one whole season on the farm, the next season in the next location. Probably to save on budget. So they'll be fartin' around on the farm for a few more episodes, probably to let Randall escape, then involve the other group, forcing them to move onto the next location.

As for the Governor (who is the main baddie of the next group) it could be Merle. Hell, they could twist it and have Shane wind up defecting and coming back with a vengeance. Or it could be a new actor.

As for Dale dying, I get now why they killed him off. Look at the uproar its caused. What better way to introduce drama and drive up ratings? I'll miss Jeff DeMunn on the show though; he's a great actor. Been a fan since he played Capt. Esteridge in The Hitcher.

@Ryjkyj But if they are going to take the series in different directions, then in order to remain at least similar to the comics, all characters must be fair game at all times. Not only that, but the idea of important people dying for stupid, pointless reasons is also central to the books.

In fact, if the books have one major through-line that would be essential to the TV series if it was supposed to be similar at all, it's this: Every single chapter needs to be an exercise in how you can make a situation worse than you thought possible. Any positive improvement in the situation of the characters should be just positive enough so that you can be let down again by the next major catastrophe.


Good points.

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster demands blood from the YouTubes as Vengeance for it's insolence!!!

EDIT: I mean Meat Sauce!

>> ^deathcow:

This is pretty awesome.
I got into Judas Priest when I bought a JVC RC-M90 boombox in 1983 (p.s. I sold it this year for 3x the original cost : ) and the first tape I listened to was from my brother, who gave me "Screaming For Vengeance" on cassette.
I had a 4x4 foot "tapestry" of Screaming For Vengeance on my wall soon after and over the next few years filled out my cassette box with stuff going all the way back to this.
My favorite of all time (back then anyway) was the live version of Green Manalishi from Unleashed in the East. (I learned yesterday it was a cover, and Fleetwood Mac has a funky version of it.)
This old stuff has a character all its own.
I really liked the album "Point of Entry" which nobody else seemed to.
I made a killer Judas Priest logo on my Commodore 64.


Point of Entry is one of my faves. Desert Planes is such a great song. Same with Turning Circles.

This is pretty awesome.

I got into Judas Priest when I bought a JVC RC-M90 boombox in 1983 (p.s. I sold it this year for 3x the original cost : ) and the first tape I listened to was from my brother, who gave me "Screaming For Vengeance" on cassette.

I had a 4x4 foot "tapestry" of Screaming For Vengeance on my wall soon after and over the next few years filled out my cassette box with stuff going all the way back to this.

My favorite of all time (back then anyway) was the live version of Green Manalishi from Unleashed in the East. (I learned yesterday it was a cover, and Fleetwood Mac has a funky version of it.)

This old stuff has a character all its own.

I really liked the album "Point of Entry" which nobody else seemed to.

I made a killer Judas Priest logo on my Commodore 64.