Quite the understated "Oh shit" given the circumstances.

>> ^Barseps:

Adele, (although a good singer) is still just an updated version of the great
Alison Moyet.
Best live version of any song on the Sift I've seen so far.....
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"the visuals cannot be understated."

That means they're bad...

Understated title is understated.

>> ^CaptainObvious:

This is very worrisome to me.
Why the media blackout?
Can someone PLEASE explain it to me? What is going on? This is obviously news and people do actually have an appetite for this. This is news that would sell.
I am starting to feel like one of those conspiracy people.


The media blackout is an attempt by some to stop the movement from growing. That's about it.

That was actually a very understated Jeff Goldblum. A little bit more prozac and he would have nailed it.

Scahill summarizes my problem with him early on at the 2 minute mark: I don't care that Muammar Gaddafi is gone.

Let me be clear, I care very deeply that Gaddafi is gone. In fact, that aside most of Scahill's assessment of Libya is agreeable. Of course, the importance of Gaddafi's presence or removal to Libyans can hardly be understated. You simply can not care about the Libyan people and at the same time not care whether or not Gaddafi remained in power.

Scahill goes on to ask how forced regime change fits into international law and order.

The real question is how failing to force regime change against convicted war criminals like Gaddafi and Omar al-Bashir can be justified under international law and order. Every signatory to the convention on genocide is obligated to act to prevent or punish those responsible for committing genocide. Where is the outrage with all the nations that FAILED to support the mission in Libya to stop Gaddafi's promised genocide? Where is the outrage with all the nations STILL FAILING to punish Omar al-Bashir for what he order done in Darfur?

The fallacy here is that only actions should require justification, while inaction never requires any justification at all.

There certainly have been rallies in America that at least in part were to 'celebrate' Muslim deaths. I agree, it's not as pervasive as in Muslim countries, and not accepted by the majority of our population as it seems to be in Muslim countries, but it certainly IS something that happens here (at most Faux supported and teabagger rallies for example).

I think we are largely agreed then, as that was my main point. I think you overstate the teabagger rallies and/or understate the jihadist ones though.

I'm not familiar with any western rallies(aside from the westboro nuts I already mentioned) where they specifically celebrated the deaths of muslims because the deaths of muslims was deemed a good end. On the flip side, there are repeatedly rallies of emboldened jihadists dancing in the streets and cheering the deaths on 9/11 and from other attacks and violence since then.

The difference is important to keep in perspective and not to be underestimated. It is where we are headed if we don't confront the extremists in our midst now while we have them outnumbered. It is also important as our like minded moderate allies in those foreign nations need our support and help against a much more determined and violent enemy than we do ourselves.

Curse you for making me upvote a Maddow segment!!

This is an absolutely critical piece for people to hear and understand. It should be dominating ALL other discussions about foreign policy, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya combined do not represent the magnitude and depth of problem that Pakistan does.

Maddow couldn't be more understated in expressing the danger Sherbano is putting herself in by speaking out. Her father is not the first moderate to be assassinated solely because he was a moderate. Prominent and important moderate figures are being assassinated almost every other month in Pakistan. Even former president Benazir Bhutto has been killed off, as was her father before her.

There are elected members of Pakistan's nation assemblies who have expressed, at those assemblies, their anger that Pakistan's military abandoned Osama and let him be killed, because he was an Islamic Hero. Elected Officials of a nuclear armed state, are able to draw serious public support by declaring Osama a hero!

The depths of the spread of extremism within Pakistan is terrifying, not only for the unfortunate moderates like the Taseers and the Bhuttos living there, but for ourselves as well and the problem needs to be addressed far more seriously. Getting the media to even mention the situation in passing would be a good start...

The only fight left is this pathetic vestige of religious homophobia.
...
let's put the science aside for a second and talk logic.

Let's not.

You dismiss my views as 'religious homophobia' and moments later ask to put aside science as it's inconvenient to your own. I hope the irony of this isn't wasted on people.

I make a big deal of the definition of marriage because inherent in the demand for changing it is the implication that sexual orientation is akin race or skin color. Obviously it's not the language but the implication that is behind my vehemence.

Did you, bcglorf, decide to be straight?

Yes.

You are correct in your assertion that homosexuality is not a primary genetic trait, otherwise it would disappear within a few generations. It is likely recessive, triggered with some sort of environmental factor or other random variable.

You understate the science against your view. Many studies have been done on identical twins and the connection between genetic traits and behaviors. Those studies show the same strength of connection between sexual orientation, criminal behavior, addictive behaviors and even religious beliefs.

If you want to say people are just born with a sexual orientation, and choice doesn't enter into it, the science demands the same standard be held to criminals, addicts and ...... religious homophobes.

If we agree on that, then logic can carry us into drawing lines around where those built in genetic dispositions cross the boundaries of intruding on other peoples freedoms and what to do about that.

woah. perfect soundtrack for 2 a.m. deadline-crunching.
(also vote for most understated drums of all time.)

Can I *promote this? (I'm a noob)

Upvote for understated title, but almost lost it for ridiculous repetition with included moron-circle. I was "AHHH!!!!" after the first go through, 2-3 more would have been neat, but spending a minute waching it over and over and having to go through OMG DID YOU SEE THIS PART???? stupid circle was a bit much.

...but I might just be jaded.

I only watched this because it was a dramatic shooting. I don't waste my time on videos of understated, uninspired shootings.

I think people understate just how much of a mess the gameplay of of ME1 was. The shooting felt subpar by 3rd person shooter standards. The abilities were either poorly thought out or overpowered. Remember all the floating helplessly and praying not to die? The inventory interface was an atrocity. The game suffered from a Diabloesque overload of randomly generated loot. Fucking omnigel. Endless bouncy rover missions on spiky randomly generated terrain, all so you can slowly horde minerals and literally useless collectibles.

I totally agree that some of that could have been fixed and redeemed rather than scrapped and replaced. I'd like to see weapon mods, armor mods, and implants come back. As well as a fun version of vehicle based planetary exploration.

But over all, ME2 managed to make the combat solid and enjoyable. While keeping the focus on the story and characters, which is really what kept most of us playing.