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Patrick Stewart Looks Further Into His Dad's Shell Shock

MilkmanDan says...

Possible, but I don't really think so. I think that the Medical minds of the time thought that physical shock, pressure waves from bombing etc. as you described, were a (or perhaps THE) primary cause of the psychological problems of returning soldiers. So the name "shell shock" came from there, but the symptoms that it was describing were psychological and, I think precisely equal to modern PTSD. Basically, "shell shock" became a polite euphemism for "soldier that got mentally messed up in the war and is having difficulty returning to civilian life".

My grandfather was an Army Air Corps armorer during WWII. He went through basic training, but his primary job was loading ammunition, bombs, external gas tanks, etc. onto P-47 airplanes. He was never in a direct combat situation, as I would describe it. He was never shot at, never in the shockwave radius of explosions, etc. But after the war he was described as having mild "shell shock", manifested by being withdrawn, not wanting to talk about the war, and occasionally prone to angry outbursts over seemingly trivial things. Eventually, he started talking about the war in his mid 80's, and here's a few relevant (perhaps) stories of his:

He joined the European theater a couple days after D-Day. Came to shore on a Normandy beach in the same sort of landing craft seen in Saving Private Ryan, etc. Even though it was days later, there were still LOTS of bodies on the beach, and thick smell of death. Welcome to the war!

His fighter group took over a French farm house adjacent to a dirt landing strip / runway. They put up a barbed wire perimeter with a gate on the road. In one of the only times I heard of him having a firearm and being expected to potentially use it, he pulled guard duty at that gate one evening. His commanding officer gave him orders to shoot anyone that couldn't provide identification on sight. While he was standing guard, a woman in her 20's rolled up on a bicycle, somewhat distraught. She spoke no English, only French. She clearly wanted to get in, and even tried to push past my grandfather. By the letter of his orders, he was "supposed" to shoot her. Instead, he knocked her off her bike when she tried to ride past after getting nowhere verbally and physically restrained her. At gunpoint! When someone that spoke French got there, it turned out that she was the daughter of the family that lived in the farm house. They had no food, and she was coming back to get some potatoes they had left in the larder.

Riding trains was a common way to get air corps support staff up to near the front, and also to get everybody back to transport ships at the end of the war. On one of those journeys later in the war, my grandfather was riding in an open train car with a bunch of his buddies. They were all given meals at the start of the trip. A short while later, the track went through a French town. A bunch of civilians were waiting around the tracks begging for food. I'll never forgot my grandfather describing that scene. It was tough for him to get out, and then all he managed was "they was starvin'!" He later explained that he and his buddies all gave up the food that they had to those people in the first town -- only to have none left to give as they rolled past similar scenes in each town on down the line.

When my mother was growing up, she and her brothers learned that they'd better not leave any food on their plates to go to waste. She has said that the angriest she ever saw her dad was when her brothers got into a food fight one time, and my grandfather went ballistic. They couldn't really figure out what the big deal was, until years later when my grandfather started telling his war stories and suddenly things made more sense.


A lot of guys had a much rougher war than my grandfather. Way more direct combat. Saw stuff much worse -- and had to DO things that were hard to live with. I think the psychological fallout of stuff like that explains the vast majority of "shell shock", without the addition of CTE-like physical head trauma. I'd wager that when the docs said Stewart's father's shell shock was a reaction to aerial bombardment, that was really just a face-saving measure to try to explain away the perceived "weakness" of his condition.

newtboy said:

I feel there's confusion here.
The term "shell shock" covers two different things.
One is purely psychological, trauma over seeing things your brain can't handle. This is what most people think of when they hear the term.
Two is physical, and is CTE like football players get, caused by pressure waves from nearby explosions bouncing their brains inside their skulls. It sounds like this is what Stewart's father had, as it causes violent tendencies, confusion, and uncontrollable anger.

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Glenn Beck's 'The Blaze' Smears Trayvon Martin -- TYT

littledragon_79 says...

So Florida is the Wild West...as long as you're the only surviving witness? Just have to tell the cops it was self defense and you're free to go. Even if you deliberately stalk your target, lose him, continue searching, acquire him again, and finally engage him.

About the suspension, 10 days does seem pretty significant. Doubtful it was for murder, maybe a food fight? And only 1 suspension? Not that Zimmerman knew any of this ffs, so it seems kind of moot.

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Father loses custody of kids for being agnostic

NetRunner says...

@blankfist I can't speak for every state (and BTW, this is almost entirely an issue left to the states to legislate on), but there's nothing legally stopping a divorce from being settled out of court in Ohio. You don't even need an arbitrator, if the parties can come to total agreement on the disposition of the custody of the children and all the relevant property disputes. In such cases, the state basically just acts as a witness to the agreement.

Almost no divorces happen that way, largely because the couple can't come to a full and wide-ranging agreement. Not only that, they usually can't even agree to binding arbitration. My parents couldn't, and instead went into the full legal food fight in civil court.

At no point in here do I see how taking civil court off the table helps.

As far as my own parents' divorce proceedings, my observation was that all the advantages went to my dad, largely because he was the sole income earner in our household. The only topic mom seemed to get preference on was with custody, and I think that was more a case of dad relenting than mom getting some sort of preferential treatment.

Even so, unfair laws aren't written in stone, and I'm sure you could cobble together a pretty potent PAC of pissed off rich men who're mad about how women get too much of a free ride when it comes to divorce. Bad judges can be impeached, and many state courts elect their judges anyways (we do here, and they even all have partisan affiliations -- the Ohio Supreme Court is 100% Republican again).

And as far as judges are concerned, I'm sure the voting blocs are driven more by abortion than anything else, and I guarantee you that the abortion-should-be-illegal crowd are a lot more likely to rule against agnostic parents over "proper" Christian ones in divorce proceedings.

In terms of actual statute, I suspect a lot of the stagnation of law in this area is because the law is set at the state level. Just about no one gets into the details of what their state legislature does unless it catches the attention of the national media (e.g. SB1070, Prop 8, Prop 19, Romneycare, etc.). Even a political junkie like me is hard pressed to say what issues my state legislature has even tried to address over its last session.

As far as some sort of anarchist state-free system, let me quote James Madison, who puts it far more eloquently than I do:

But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.

If you have improvements on the framework laid down by Madison and the other founding fathers to address that problem, I'm all ears.

In-flight pillow fight

Stewart Nails GOP For Flip Flopping On Escrow Fund

NetRunner says...

@Winstonfield_Pennypacker I'd go another round with you, but it's clear you just wanna flap your gums about fictitious versions of me and liberals and Obama, and are so utterly disconnected from reality that you aren't even responding to things I actually said.

I mean seriously, you literally snipped out the phrase "I'm sure there will be congressional oversight", and cut off the part where I said why I thought that, and acted as though there is a series of facts and history in which congressional oversight is never applied when a political food fight breaks out over something.

There's part of your fever dream I agree with -- namely, the rich and the powerful never get held accountable for anything. Tony Hayward is back to racing yachts, Lloyd Blankfein didn't even lose his job, and is already paying himself huge bonuses again, and Bush and Cheney are free men.

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Sagemind says...

Hey, No hard feelings eh! I thought for sure...
Welcome to the sift.
You got a vote from me anyway..., I thought the post was original and in your face - but then it's an "ad" so..., well umm, ya - Have a great day!

In reply to this comment by loganshero:
hey guys this is NOT a self link. I just saw how well it was doing on buzzfeed and I thought I'd be the first to post it on videosift. I just recently heard about this site but I'm looking to get more involved on sift, so bear with me please.

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Slow Motion Food Fight

loganshero says...

hey guys this is NOT a self link. I just saw how well it was doing on buzzfeed and I thought I'd be the first to post it on videosift. I just recently heard about this site but I'm looking to get more involved on sift, so bear with me please.

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Sagemind says...

Youtube account is: tylermacniven http://www.youtube.com/user/tylermacniven

One of his videos is titled: BJ and Tyler's Amazing Race application video (using his name-Tyler).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4j3ppJz9yk
The video features the same two guys as in this video
This means he made this video as well (since he's in it).

Here is another one of his youtube videos "Oh-Ba-Ma" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhB2QhND-nU
in which he is in it. Yup same guys!

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Please give proof how this is a selflink.

Colbert: The Word - A Perfect World

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History of Modern Warfare Reenacted with Food

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