Oh WInstonfield - gotta love the understated racism (man-child), the hyperbole (radicals), the blanket portrayals of Europeans as poverty-stricken communists (aren't they happier, healthier, and better educated than Americans?), and the rhetorical attacks on Obama (how's his polling these days? Isn't there majority support for Health Care reform? Isn't there still majority support for a Public Option?).

Talk about hardcore dyed-in-the-wool partisans and ideologues eh?>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

I think ridicule is the best way to destroy nonsensical groups like the Tea Party
Ah yes. A page right out of the Man Child's favorite neolib catechism, "Rules for Radicals".
It is hard to tell if the neolib left is being incredibly devious or incredibly stupid when it comes to the Tea Party. The TP is just a large group of regular folks who believe that the largest obstacle to American prosperity is America's own government. And they have a solid point. Big Government, Big Labor, Big Pensions have castrated the European economy for decades. Even Britain has come to realize that it can't keep the gravy train rolling. But at the time Europe is pulling back on leftist economics, the Man-Child and the neolib left are desperately trying to double-down on it. And the vast majority of the American public don't like it and don't want it.
Poll after poll shows that the neolib agenda is rejected wholesale by all but the most leftist, dyed-in-the-wool groups of hardcore Democrats. The agenda is totally out of step with the public. The Tea Party is nothing more than a group of people who protest the neolib left's advancement of their unpopular agenda against the will of the people. It's that simple.
And the neolibs know all too well they are on the losing side of the vote. The data is clear as a bell. The more they push their radicalism, the more the people object. And so comes the sideshow & circus of accusing the TP of racism, and all the other Rules for Radicals tactics that the Man-Child learned at teats of his communist & totalitarian mentors.
But - like GWB - when you try to advance an agenda against the will of the people then you WILL lose. I still have faith in that. Bush pushed Iraq when the people didn't understand it and didn't like it. He lost the PR war, and then Congress. Obama is pushing radical leftist policy when the people don't like it. He is losing the PR war, and then he'll lose Congress. And then he'll get tossed out of office. Hopefully someone with Tea Party mentality replaces him and undoes everything the Man-Child accomplished. Nothing would make America happier than to repeal every law passed by this out of step, radical congress of neolib idiots.

I think ridicule is the best way to destroy nonsensical groups like the Tea Party

Ah yes. A page right out of the Man Child's favorite neolib catechism, "Rules for Radicals".

It is hard to tell if the neolib left is being incredibly devious or incredibly stupid when it comes to the Tea Party. The TP is just a large group of regular folks who believe that the largest obstacle to American prosperity is America's own government. And they have a solid point. Big Government, Big Labor, Big Pensions have castrated the European economy for decades. Even Britain has come to realize that it can't keep the gravy train rolling. But at the time Europe is pulling back on leftist economics, the Man-Child and the neolib left are desperately trying to double-down on it. And the vast majority of the American public don't like it and don't want it.

Poll after poll shows that the neolib agenda is rejected wholesale by all but the most leftist, dyed-in-the-wool groups of hardcore Democrats. The agenda is totally out of step with the public. The Tea Party is nothing more than a group of people who protest the neolib left's advancement of their unpopular agenda against the will of the people. It's that simple.

And the neolibs know all too well they are on the losing side of the vote. The data is clear as a bell. The more they push their radicalism, the more the people object. And so comes the sideshow & circus of accusing the TP of racism, and all the other Rules for Radicals tactics that the Man-Child learned at teats of his communist & totalitarian mentors.

But - like GWB - when you try to advance an agenda against the will of the people then you WILL lose. I still have faith in that. Bush pushed Iraq when the people didn't understand it and didn't like it. He lost the PR war, and then Congress. Obama is pushing radical leftist policy when the people don't like it. He is losing the PR war, and then he'll lose Congress. And then he'll get tossed out of office. Hopefully someone with Tea Party mentality replaces him and undoes everything the Man-Child accomplished. Nothing would make America happier than to repeal every law passed by this out of step, radical congress of neolib idiots.

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@NetRunner. I'm not sure what you base your arguments on, but I've already admitted I think these pro-social messages are insidious. Teamwork is fine, if that's all the cartoons were showing, but to me this sounds more like social engineering than anything else, but I never said I had evidence for it. I just juxtaposed his comments with a personal anecdote about Sundance I thought was similar in its devious nature to shape the opinions of large groups through entertainment. I think to an average person they'd seem comparative, so I'm not sure what you're going on and on about if not to just stretch out an already belabored discussion about nothing at this point.

I bet you wish you played that evidence card before you made this comment, huh? You're adorable.

>> ^entr0py:
This is obviously a play on Microsoft's "I'm a regular person, and I'm a PC" ads.
Only the point of those is to sell PCs by saying "PCs are accessible to everyone; you don't need to be a geek or a hipster!". So if this is a parallel the message must be. "Sex work is accessible to everyone; you don't need to be desperate or undereducated!"
Devious sex workers, trying to recruit on the sift.
although. . . I have been wanting a new job.


That's pretty much the same message I got from this.

This is obviously a play on Microsoft's "I'm a regular person, and I'm a PC" ads.

Only the point of those is to sell PCs by saying "PCs are accessible to everyone; you don't need to be a geek or a hipster!". So if this is a parallel the message must be. "Sex work is accessible to everyone; you don't need to be desperate or undereducated!"

Devious sex workers, trying to recruit on the sift.

although. . . I have been wanting a new job.

Kalifornia, have you gone wild?
I'm sifting through your dark miles
Reaching out for you
In the headlight's glare
But you're way to devious
To be aware

Restles, restles
Windswept road
Take me someplace
Unfold

Kalifornia, in a bleak road song
Old nick warned me
Against the storm
But I'm your slipstream
You're my trail
Drive wild with me
Full sails

Restles, restles
Windswept road
Take me someplace
Unfold

Sometime
Get there sometime

>> ^enoch:
i think burgneil is talking about cap-n-trade and if you look into it...well..seems it will be a new market to exploit but not really deal with the issue of climate change.
maybe im wrong but im SOOO against cap-n-trade.
if you ripped me off,stole my money and ruined my business,why would i ever put you in charge of anything again?
the people who brought you Enron and energy trading?sub-prime mortgages?yep..now they bring us Cap-n-trade.
no thanks.


thanks for the clarification. Cap and Trade on coal plants have been in place in NY for a year and a half, and the general consensus from peers in the scientific community is that they aren't effective enough. I have no opinion of the political aspect because rest assured who ever is doing the speaking has his own agenda and it's almost always a devious one.

My theory: Pranker asked friend A to help him film this prank. Friend A tells Friend B about this devious plot because Friend B and Friend A are both way the fuck cooler than the Pranker, bro-fives, etc. A and B come up with plan to turn prank around and videotape it. Pranker gets fucking egg-pwned and the internets thanks them forever.

>> ^deathcow:
Not to mention a high speed spinning shaft in the passenger compartment being insanely dangerous !


Or USEFUL.

It all depends on how devious you are.

It's really sad that Bashir felt he had to be devious. It's not like the footage he got and the revelations that were made weren't sensational on their own, why he felt the need to 'spice it up' further is beyond me. He just made it harder for anyone to trust him again in the future or for other celebrities to trust interviewers in general as much in the future. Sad.

I've got to part 5 so far (Youtube has decided to go into maintenance now), and there is much to be intrigued by with Michael. It had amazed me that one person could burn through so much money and be in financial difficulty after making so much, but watching him in the store just flippantly buying 1/4 million dollar items on a whim demonstrates how easily one can piss away fortunes on basically just large trinkets.

It seems like he never had a stabilizing, nurturing hand to make him be able to handle life better... very sad, very sad.

False logic - it extrapolates a generalization.

It ignores individuals, thoughts & feelings, judgements, power hierarchy, social structure, that food is a primary need. And general problem solving will find a way.

If this was true there would be ZERO crime because all individuals comply to the groups punishment.

- the 6th monkey is devious and faster, runs straight up the stairs without punishment.
- The 3rd monkey is the largest alpha male and the 5th monkey is a female. The 3rd monkey defends the mating partner who gets the food.
- The 7th monkey climbs the wall and jumps to the food. Takes it up the cage to hide from punishment.
- The 8th monkey is simply older and larger and beats the first two monkeys to a pulp and dares the others to try.

Excellent gorillaman.

The first post on this page is outrageous, i can barely stomach the whole thing. Comparing ideals which exclude people on the basis of their skin to the suffragette movement?

So you think excluding people based on their race/colour/creed is comparable to NOT EXCLUDING PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR RACE/COLOUR/CREED (gender) !?!?!??!?!?!?

The BNP have specifically preyed on people in areas who are subject to racial differences and problems. They have thinly veiled their racist and neo-nazi policies behind a virtually transparent curtain of patriotism.

It's sick and disgusting that great britain - a country we once were proud to say that our empire, for a time, stood ALONE against a rising tide of opression which threatened the world - has become a country in which neo-nazi high-rankers (literally, one quit his neo nazi group to take a position at the BNP) can get into a position of vocal power.

Welcome to germany in the 1930's. A rising popularity grows for a party which claims that <x> are the source of your problems, we can do better without <x>. This time, we have history to look back on and realise - QUICKLY - the road we're going down.

The people who voted for the BNP are unreservedly stupid. a) for not realising these thinly veiled racist policies, and b) for not realising that their vote is going to a party of people AS STUPID AS THEY ARE.

The BNP recently made a poster saying "BRITISH PEOPLE FOR BRITISH JOBS!" - featuring a picture of 3 white AMERICANS stood in front of a union jack patting each other on the back. There's a reason not to vote for them. At least our more popular parties would have been crafty and devious enough to not do something so stupid!

Pprt - in one very small sentence, you hit on the truth - that our lazy, careless, empire building MPs in the popular parties do not realise that the backhanded, underhanded, sneaky and elusive tactics they use for governing are hurting us and them in the long run. Or worse, they probably know it and DON'T CARE. They're in it for themselves, not us. But that is NO excuse for letting racists into our government.

Fresh off the streets from the underground
Nick-named MC Eiht, black brother gets down
Came to dazzle with the hip-hop funk
To let em know (This is Compton) Now what's up, punk
Westside rulin all world cause I dump
And the city that I'm from take no shit from a chump
Niggas don't care if their enemy's beefin
Pretty soon it's a homie you're grievin
You entered the criminal zone
If you're just a little punk-ass fool, you should run on home
Try to compare? Get real
I'm from Compton, so you should know the deal
Ballers, skeezers, no age limit matters
Loced-out muthafuckas make the one time scatter
Toe to toe, draw my mic and start dumpin
It's the down MC Eiht, and fool, this is Compton

Another crazy nigga from the city
Chill's from the C-p-t, you got beef? What a pity
I don't play, cause I slay all rap suckers
Down with E, killin rookie muthafuckas
Squabbin in the streets, with the left you fall
Make a right on Alondra, see my name on the wall
Not like the banger, but I bust up
(Any punk-ass fool that'll step up)
So follow me into the zone they call panic
Hubs by the dub, but suckers act frantic
Niggas rollin hard, number one on the pop
Crazy brothers goin out all for the gangbang, stop
Compton is thumpin, suckers we stompin
Rhymes on hit, but they still talk shit
I gives a fuck about a fool who's frontin
They call me Tha Chill, and yo, this is Compton

Compton is the city that I'm claimin
Hardcore fact with the gat, to the punks I start gamin
Devious, so what do you expect?
I'm from the city on missions, and I pop your fuckin neck
People understand what I'm sayin
Talk more shit, I'm on hit, keep the fools all payin
Niggas make the scale when they bail
Police punks talk shit, but you still get out of jail
Eiht represents the place with the bass
The beat you won't beat, you're just a disgrace
Try to be casual, but that shit won't work
Get sweated in a minute, cause they down for the dirt
Maximum capacity, the crowd just jumps
For the rhythm that I give em, make the souls all pump
Energetic, so don't forget it, yeah, the Eiht keeps pumpin
And fool, this is Compton

Punk muthafucka, Tha Chill will destroy ya
With the dope hub style for ya
Bein that you're just another fan on the tip
Get dropped by Eiht, Ant, Bam, and Slip
Suckers better watch out, Chill's here to scrap
As I say it everytime in my muthafuckin rap
Just like a warzone got my territory marked
You be slippin if you're caught in the dark
(Sorry clown) Don't be slippin
Don't go head up with Tha Chill
Cause Chill can kill
I can't stop because the city I'm from
I get too fucked up, and kick the ass of a bum
So if you got static, punk keep frontin
Yo E, they know where the fuck we from...
Yo, this is Compton

>> ^entr0py:
That's interesting. So any movie where someone explodes from holding a grenade too long, or carefully puts the pin back in a grenade to defuse it is full of crap. It's almost as though Hollywood is feeding us misinformation so that we're ill prepared for the inevitable communist invasion. Those devious pinko bastards.


No, putting the pin back in does actually work, if the handle hasnt come off.