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^I never got that either. I didn't find the themes of the ending particularily surprising or out of place at all. Loves me some BSG - glad I finally went through the series.

There was plenty of supernatural hints, but they kept it ambiguous enough that it made sense. The end betrays that completely. The constant involvement of prophecies, Baltar as Jesus was nicely tied up to be a massive hoax, and that would have made sense, instead it doesn't!

Raaaaaage! *smacks head on the table*

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>> ^dag:
Makes me miss BSG- but then makes me remember the betrayal of the creators at the ending. Deus ex machina FTL.
(no, this nerd has not forgiven)

dag, if the ending was the first time you noticed there was a teensy bit of supernatural and the 'divine' involved in the story, you might as well have not been watching at all. This nerd is at a loss as to why all the numerous allusions about the constant involvement of a god or gods in human and cylon plights were OK for you and others (gwiz among them, prominently) until the time came for the story to end. Then it's deus ex machina all of a sudden.

^I never got that either. I didn't find the themes of the ending particularily surprising or out of place at all. Loves me some BSG - glad I finally went through the series.

>> ^dag:
Makes me miss BSG- but then makes me remember the betrayal of the creators at the ending. Deus ex machina FTL.
(no, this nerd has not forgiven)


dag, if the ending was the first time you noticed there was a teensy bit of supernatural and the 'divine' involved in the story, you might as well have not been watching at all. This nerd is at a loss as to why all the numerous allusions about the constant involvement of a god or gods in human and cylon plights were OK for you and others (gwiz among them, prominently) until the time came for the story to end. Then it's deus ex machina all of a sudden.

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Makes me miss BSG- but then makes me remember the betrayal of the creators at the ending. Deus ex machina FTL.

(no, this nerd has not forgiven)

Well, yeah, of course she was brought back as an angel, but as a show that prided itself on keeping itself more realistic than other scifi, by using technology that was closer to our own and not completely, completely unfeasible it just makes no sense.

Everything that's wrong with religion if it were true out here suddenly applies in that universe, because ultimately in the show there is a god, and the god does have influences in the world, and can basically do anything, like create an extra kara thrace out of thin air, and poof her gone again.

It makes no goddamn sense!

The whole show had a nice ambiguity to its religious context and myths, which was good, but in the end all the bullshit myths - everything - was true! This carries a hell of a lot of repercussions to all the actions in the show and in the end it is just completely unsatisfying.

If they had not played with being closer to our own reality and introduced the supernatural elements more deeply intertwined in the story, then I'm sure I would have been more forgiving - like, say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer or True Blood for that sake, which handles its demons and gods and all that stuff fine within its own universe. BSG really, really wants to be our universe, which just makes it invalid, because it very clearly is not our universe. Its internal consistency is shot to hell and makes me want to punch a puppy in the face.

I rate it 10 sturgeon faces.

BSG is a clusterfuck of gratuitous violence, unrealistically evil characters, and woo-woo nonsense. Interesting, yes. But it is utterly incoherent. Brother Cavil is an even less realistic character than Lord Voldemort. Most of the characters in BSG are fucking insane.

If I had to rank the Star Trek series:
1. DS9 seasons 1-6 and TNG seasons 2-7
2. DS9 season 7
3. Voyager
4. TNG season 1
5. TOS and Enterprise

Prequels are almost always bad because knowing the future in too much detail kills creativity.

All of these shows are made with a target audience in mind. That's where the fanbase springs up from and why the same show can be described as rubbish, utter drivel and dull on the one hand, and interesting, entertaining and well-acted on the other.

Personally, I can stand neither Firefly nor BSG with their fraction-of-a-second cutting of scenes, overuse of computer animations, the majority of characters' juggling back and forth with convictions and feelings towards each other and general behaviour between episodes, and soap opera-esque storyline. Now, I'm obviously not the target audience they were going for, which most likely is why I feel this way about them. However, that doesn't mean I can't recognize they're made well enough for what they're trying to accomplish, which is something recommended for you to think about as well.

What I did enjoy thoroughly in TOS and TNG was the acting, the pacing, the fictive future presented and that most of the sets and takes were done with real props and not made up whole cloth in a set of computers. They weren't necessarily good props, and the acting wasn't necessarily world class, but it gave me a better sense of immersion than the show Enterprise. Being unable to properly express the main concern I have with the characters portrayed in Enterprise in English is frustrating, and running the risk of being interpreted as saying something but meaning another, let's just say they felt somewhat generic compared to a lot of other shows.

But again, me finding a show appalingly lacking doesn't mean it's objectively bad, and I'm trying very hard not to make it sound like that's what I'm saying. This is blatantly obvious to some, but it can never be stressed enough for others.

I would start by saying that all Star Trek is rubbish.

It's got this built-in level of crapness that you have to tolerate if you end up as a fan. I actually view Voyager as a great guilty pleasure and the others can go hang apart from the TOS which at least was good old campy fun.

TNG was utter drivel for it's first three seasons and that's a long time these days. Even after that it was dull and only intermittently exciting. No way a show would last that long now. I just thank the folks who made BSG and proving that intelligent, entertaining SF can be made and broadcast.

Enterprise was the lowest of the low - it couldn't maintain it's low-tech premise (weren't they resorting to transporters even in the first episode!?) and it looked like they had no idea what they wanted to do with it apart from recycle the standard Trek premise. And the characters were uniformly forgettable. Even pineapple head in Voyager trumped them.

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At least they don't say frakking, like in BSG. I cry a little every time they say that word.

the BSG part is a dupe of this: http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Office-exemplifies-Nerd-Torture

feminism's dead. every true BSG fan knows we're past these gender divisions

The Wire
Deadwood
Six Feet Under

in that order.


Then
Battlestar Galactica
Dexter
True Blood

in that order.


Trust me, your girl will enjoy the shit out of True Blood and BSG.

I liked both the first and the second. I think the third was sort of a let-down. Sure it was even more of an action movie than the others, but they don't really explain anything or give anything any sufficient meaning. I do still like all three though.

I think the worst aspect of this phenomena happened to me with Battlestar Galactica. The final episode ruined the whole BSG universe for me and made it lame, so much that I'm not interested in whatever else is being made in that universe. Which is a shame really, because it was really good up until that last piece of shit.