I don't agree...it's the difference between the bullshit your familiar with and the bullshit your not familiar with.

How about an ancient jew building a boat big enough to store not just two of each animal but 14 of each and every bird, 14 of each and every clean animal, and 2 of each every unclean animal?

or

Ancient jews taking a boat to the America's?

If you can buy into the first it's not much of a stretch to buy into the second.>> ^EMPIRE:

All religions are complete bullshit, don't get me wrong. But it's as Sam Harris once said, you take christianism, pile on another set of stupid shit on top of it, and you get mormonism. So obviously by that reasoning, Mormonism is even stupider than Christianism.

A Christian is someone who follows Christ and the true church is the body of Christ. This means that all the different denominations are false divisions in the body. This doesn't mean they don't have any Christians, it just means that the church is not a human institution..the catholics for example, most of what they do is not biblical, and is in fact blasphemy. There is no such thing as a pope, or nuns, or monks or priests in the bible. Neither are there sacraments. The conception of the virgin mary and the immaculate conception are both unbiblical and blasphemous. The same with bowing to statues, the worship of Mary, and confession. The catholic church is rife with apostacy. Does this mean no catholic is saved? I wouldn't say that..I don't limit God. I would say though that if I were catholic I wouldn't be confident of my salvation.

I wasn't "indoctrinated". I grew up agnostic, without any religion. I was a strict materialist who would have fit right in with many of the sifters here. I can understand the perspective of someone who can't see a spiritual reality because that used to be my perspective. I probably would have scoffed at this video too, but it would have been from the depths of ignorance. I have direct knowledge that there is a demonic host controlled by Satan who runs this world and is bent on seperating every soul on Earth from Jesus Christ. I have dealt directly with evil spirits, spoken to them directly, and have been directly deceived by them. This girl, whatever her history is, is/was possessed..of that there is no doubt.

Science is great, but this is spiritual warfare. You may not understand it, but you live in harmony with this world system and thus passively support the objectives of the enemy. Everytime you're arguing against Christ, you are doing Satans work for him. The world itself isn't frightening..

matthew 10:28

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. If you're a jew, you should know that much.
>> ^G-bar:
First, It is stated in the video that she had had this "possession" for a long time, and her medieval parents were taking her to those voodoo sessions for quite some time. This hints that the girl could be suffering from a minor mental illness and/or autism, which the parents are either too dumb or too religious to realize. Making her do things against her will over and over again might make her go completely crazy.
Second, If catholics are not the real Christians, who is? what are you shiny? how can you justify your own belief as the correct one?
And to sum it up, you throw every possible scientific measures against evolution, and now this? come on shiny, let go of your childhood indoctrination. Use your own eyes to see the world and you will see it is not as frightening as they told u it would be.

Exactly! If only people could look at their own beliefs with the same skeptical eye.>> ^MaxWilder:

>> ^EMPIRE:
I don't know about the rest of you, but mormonism is one of the stupidest, most childishly-obvious moronic shams ever. It's not even funny there are people actually stupid enough to believe in that crap.
edit: and I think it looks all the more insane to someone who is not american.

Once you let go of magical thinking, EVERY religion looks just as stupid. Mormonism and Scientology get picked on more because they are more recent, but if you look at the stories that are the foundation for any religion, they are all absurd.
I mean, a woman gives birth to a child without a father? Wasn't that in Phantom Menace?

>> ^EMPIRE:

I don't know about the rest of you, but mormonism is one of the stupidest, most childishly-obvious moronic shams ever. It's not even funny there are people actually stupid enough to believe in that crap.
edit: and I think it looks all the more insane to someone who is not american.


Once you let go of magical thinking, EVERY religion looks just as stupid. Mormonism and Scientology get picked on more because they are more recent, but if you look at the stories that are the foundation for any religion, they are all absurd.

I mean, a woman gives birth to a child without a father? Wasn't that in Phantom Menace?

>> ^EMPIRE:

edit: and I think it looks all the more insane to someone who is not american mormon.

Fixed that for you.

Before 1978, black men couldn't be priests in the church. Their black skin was the "mark of Cain" and they were all direct descendents of Abel's killer. (Every male is a priest in the church.)

The Civil Rights movement in the 60's led to federal legislation. The Mormon Church was being threatened with... losing their tax exemption maybe? I'm unclear.

They were also having trouble getting black people to join and their proselytizing efforts in Africa weren't going so well, as you can imagine.

So the President of the Church got a message from God in 1978 that God has now forgiven Cain's descendents and they can now be priests.

Personally, I think this is behind why the Mormon Church pushes back so hard on gay rights. They are afraid the government will step in and punish them for anti-gay stances. So they want to get it in the law to protect themselves.

I may have some of the details wrong -- this is the essence of it.


>> ^Sagemind:

in 1978, God changed his mind about black people... (??)
Comedy Religion

Nice Save...!
>> ^marbles:

>> ^gwiz665:
...and mohammed, the prophet of the muslim faith, was a child rapist.

pics cartoons or it didn't happen!

No Worries, it was a fluke that I checked my email right after Ant "Deaded" the post - and I fixed it right after that (withinin 10-15 minutes). So all good - Thanks for the promote!

In reply to this comment by moodonia:
Hey Sagemind,

Apology time... While looking at your video about the Irish blasphemy law I saw your warriors Vs Baseball Furies video, which I promoted before realising it was dead.... Anyway here is a link to a working clip from if its any help in resurrecting it...
http://youtu.be/wSvJdVg9ydM

>> ^Sagemind:

I don't get it - How dare they tarnish the purity - Pure Blasphemy!


I concur! Here, faithful ones, feast your eyes on the purity:

>> ^gwiz665:

...and mohammed, the prophet of the muslim faith, was a child rapist.


pics cartoons or it didn't happen!

I don't get it - How dare they tarnish the purity - Pure Blasphemy!

This girl is way off about the law and its consequences. First its not like anyone in Ireland got a say in this, second its not like anyone was ever arrested or will be. This has less to do with religions power in Ireland (it has f all these days post child raping) and more to do with political correctness, multiculturalism and the danish mohammed cartoons.

Blasphemy laws were always on the Irish lawbooks going way back, since it was an offense under the 1937 constitution to be blasphemous towards christianity they had to update that for multicultural 21st century ireland. For the most incompetent, corrupt and clueless government in Irish history, the cheapest, easiest and most half assed way of doing it quickly was to pass legislation rather than having a referendum to update the constitution and thereby have a public debate which would have been universally against the blasphemy measure, even the Christian churches.

Anyway, lots of people are doing their best to be charged with blasphemy but so far no winners. Ireland has a lot of unenforced or rarely enforced laws on its books, this is just one that invites ridicule from all over the world and deservedly so.

All quite depressing really.

Blasphemy!!!
>> ^DerHasisttot:

I wonder if it's copied from an old act.

ok.
i shall attempt to answer your questions to the best of my ability.due to the length and breadth of your questions i shall tackle them on a singular basis.
welcome to part one:
@IAmTheBlurr
Let me ask you a question. Why do you trust your personal revelation?

I ask this because I used to be very “spiritual” and I’ve even had out-of-body experiences, experiences that I can only call past life regressions. I grew up in a practicing Christian family and I have memories of experience that I can only call “personal revelation”. I’ve come to a lot of reasons why I shouldn’t trust those personal revelations; I want to know if you’ve come to understand how the human brain is very easily tricked into irrational behaviors and beliefs (not just religious)

You say that this has been an ongoing revelation since you were 14. If you had not had this history of personal revelation at all and it came to you suddenly today, would you find it believable? I imagine that you’re beliefs have been challenged many times. Are you certain that the strengthening effect of the challenges aren’t just from the boomerang effect, caused by a need to justify something that you feel committed to?

@enoch
this is a multi-faceted question.
i think the best approach would be to outline my faith in order to give you a decent starting point and will hopefully add context to any further discussions.:

"god" is a only a term i use to represent a creator.
there is no gender bias when i use this term.
now let me define my usage of "creator".
with the stipulation that i believe reality is the illusion and thought is real.
because what is "reality"?
what is "consciousness"?
and how do we measure these things?based on what scale?
we have five senses in which to articulate the "real" world.
and it is our "consciousness" which discerns this reality through first the five senses and then processing through said consciousness.
while over-simplified..we can agree on the basic mechanics of what i say?

now here is where you and i will have divergence.
for i believe (have faith) that we are a composite of mind.body and spirit.
you stop at mind .body.
you may view your ego as an accurate representation of who you are while i believe that your ego is only who you THINK you are based on those who influence your own self-identity but not who you ACTUALLY are.
this is a wholly different discussion but in so many ways extremely pertinent to our discussion.
a topic i will visit in the later parts of our conversation.

now on to my personal revelation.
while i will not share the particulars (for no other reason than it will take up too much space and time) i will share what was shown to me at 14 yrs old.
i was shown that:
god is not separate.
god is a consciousness and not one that we have any capabilities to understand at this point in our evolution and on this physical plane of existence.
god is literally everything.every molecule..every atom or quark.gas-solid-microbe.
god resides outside time/space but also within.
god did NOT create us specifically but we are rather a by-product of his (not saying god is a dude here btw) creation.
as a species god is indifferent if we succeed or fail (let the religious folk have fits over THAT statement).

let me attempt a different approach,not to convince of you of anything but rather to illuminate my position in a clearer light.
1.when this universe came in to existence what was the ONE thing that also came in to existence?(besides the obvious).
time.
and what does this fourth dimension give us?
things become relative.
2.so being relative what do you find in the most basic and simplest of terms?
positive-negative
good-bad
god-devil
a really ancient story but appropriate.
of course humanity anthropamophizes this basic construct but what else does this universal creation put out there?
evidenced over and over again.
the desire to live...life..to create.
the entire universe follows this edict.
religious people will point and say "look at that! there is your evidence!"
i disagree..because that implies intent and god did not intentionally create any of it.
the ONLY intent god put forth was to push forward...to strive..to be.
to a religious person this is blasphemy incarnate because the ideas i am putting forth basically say that god did not intentionally create us as we are..and he didnt..we are a by product of the first intent billions of years ago.

now here is where it gets really cool in my opinion.
jesus stated "i am you..you are me".
correctamundo.
IF you follow my understanding of the universe as i have stated then you must also see where i am going with this.
god is consciousness who created the universe from itself.
we are part of this universe.
so hence WE are a part of god and god is literally a part of us.
think "we were created in his image"
yep..just not in the way religious folk may have ever imagined.

now..lets put the conversation of "consciousness" away for a minute (because that ..in itself is another entirely different..and long..conversation).
and let me ask that you withold disbelief for a moment and consider the possibility of a spirit/soul.
consider that the spirit is the divine spark.the part of us that is connected to this god consciousness.
or..as you would most likely do...dismiss the idea of a spirit.
would you agree that we experience this reality through our senses?
that we love.cry.play and indulge on this physical plane?
and that if my understanding that god is literally everything..would that not correspond to our experiencing this physical reality is actually experiencing creation itself?
and if that makes sense to you would it be too huge a leap to realize that while we experience god subjectively through our experiences that god experiences itself through us?
"i am you..you are me".

pretty cool huh?
the creator resides outside of time/space but experiences its own creation through us and conversely we experience god just by breathing and interacting with creation.
this means that god gets to experience linear existence through us and we through it.

god does not judge because all creation is experiencing itself in a linear fashion.
good and evil are just arbitrary term based on subjective understandings.
god does not discern from either.
so you experiencing love and joy..or the best sex you have ever had in your life.
god experiences also.
just as god will experience the violated and the violator.
both equally.
it is WE who deem acts either good or evil.
because it is WE who have the divine within us.
we make moral distinctions predicated on our own subjective understanding at that moment in time and respond according to those understandings.
god does not distinguish such things.
WE judge ourselves and each other..god does not.

the arrogance and hubris of religion to even postulate that we were somehow this "special creation" to me is just a reaction to just how small and insignificant we are....as a species.
it is the spirit which holds the key to understanding because that is the part of us connected to the divine.so while the flesh will decay,die and rot..the spirit will be consumed back in to the source.
how that will translate i have no idea but i was shown that creation is infinite.
infinite universes and dimension.
life creation in ways that are unimaginable to us.
all of it up/down and sideways.
myriads of lifeforms so strange and alien according to our current understandings.

as a lifeform we are really..at the heart..a complicated amalgamation of co-operative bacteria which strove billions of years ago to be more than the single sum and in doing so became self-aware.
and IN that self awareness came curiosity.
all following that first intent..strive...push forward..be more.
and since the advent of our self-awareness that is exactly what we have been doing,and our understanding is growing exponentially.
everything has a consciousness but we are the most self aware on this planet but consciousness has been evident in other animals (of varying degrees).consciousness can even be attributed to plants.
i propose that the universe has a consciousness.one we cannot comprehend or fathom at this juncture in our evolution.

and NO..i am not speaking of the "good of gaps".
and also a very strong reason why i have no urge to defend my position because that implies that somehow my understanding is somehow more "right" than somebody elses.
just as in saying i am "committed" to one ideology implies that i am somehow a messenger with a strict theocratic way of thinking,or an absolutist way of thinking and both would be inaccurate.every new piece of information changes the paradigm..how can it not?
the only constant i have experienced is how these new pieces of information confirm that very first revelation shown to me.
love creates something more than when it first came into being while negative destroys and gives back nothing.
god is indifferent to both.
and everything is connected.


now.
let me respond to your query "why do you trust your personal revelation"?
i shall answer in bullet point outline:
1.i knew my grandfather had died.though nobody had been called about it yet.
2.i knew..to the day..when my father was going to die and why.
3.i knew my aunt had colon cancer though she showed no signs of having any problems.thank god she believed me at 15 years of age and went to the doctor. consequently lived for another 18 years (died at 84).
4.while i will not post every particular occurance over the span of my life,suffice to say i have learned to trust my inuition because it has been spot on..
every..
single..
time.

now is this due to my brain attempting to find patterns and a certain congruence?
perhaps..but how do i just know some things?
when there is no possible way to even suspect?
my father was the pinnacle of health.
my grandmother was in terrible health and everybody was certain she had only days left.
i knew she would live another year and five months because she was afraid of dying.
i was right on both accounts.

i could go on,but understand i post these events not to convince you of anything other than to explain them is no easy task.
we just dont understand how these things happen but happen they do,
and i have all confidence that one day we will understand.
it just wont be today.
because science..in its most base definition..is obeying the first intent.
to strive..to push.

we are trying to understand creation.
religion does not attempt that.religion only seeks to quantify god into terms that we can understand and accept and in that respect,religion will always fail.
science fails also but recognizes failure and moves forward.
religion stagnates and suppresses.

well,
thats it for this chapter.
am i delusional for having faith in spirit?
possible.being a rational and reasonable human being i have to accept that possibility.
but everything i have experienced has just revealed the exact opposite.
we are more than the sum of our parts.
there is a part of us which is divine and seeks out that divinity in everything we touch/see/hear.
though we may not even be aware of it.
the spiritual person is VERY aware of this though.
the religious person is not.
till next time my friend.
namaste.

We're a weird bunch of people, full of contradictions. Gwizz, for example, sifted the punching video intentionally to get a reaction, then complains about 'drama'. Ant downvotes blasphemy but upvotes a video depicting a man punching a woman in the genitals. I enjoy mysogyny in humour but can't abide violence against women. I'm also a flashing, drug addict idiot hipster, but that's another story.

Essentially, we could all get along with a bit of maturity and consideration, but this is the internet and that's not why we're here, mostly. And I'm ok with that.

And it's true - it's not all about you. It's all about me.