The only proper way to say Bing is in a deadpan voice, when answering Stephen Tobolowsky.

>> ^shuac:

Very true. And while all technology products are derivative of earlier products to some degree, I think Microsoft does more bandwagon-jumping than most. Let's look at the evidence.
Java, made by Sun. "Reimagined" by Microsoft.
Console gaming, made by Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Sony, et al. Microsoft gives us Xbox.
Online Music, pioneered by Napster, made legitimate by Apple. Microsoft gives us MSN Music.
MP3 player, pioneered by Rio, made super popular by Apple. Microsoft gives us Zune.
Internet search, pioneered by Archie in 1990, made insanely profitable by Google. Microsoft gives us MSN. And Live Search. And Bing.
Far as tablet computing goes, Microsoft actually has a much bigger history than Apple. I remember MS peddling tablets back in 2001 with XP. Trouble is, XP was never designed as a touch interface. Even as recent as 2008, Microsoft tried this strategy with the Origami.
The innovation Apple made is to take its smartphone OS (whose design is based on touch) and pull it up to the tablet rather than take a full-blown desktop OS and push it down. This is the idea Microsoft is copying with Surface and Windows 8.
Other than Kinect, which is an innovative product since it is more than merely a response to the Wii, I'm not sure Microsoft invented anything. Even its flagship Office suite is based on earlier software (WordStar, WordPerfect, dBase, Lotus 1-2-3). In fact, when Microsoft first licensed MS-DOS to IBM for a huge profit back in 1981, it was essentially QDOS, which they purchased outright from some guy for $50,000. Deal of the century.
You may say, "Well Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. Why aren't they guilty of copying too?"
They are. But Microsoft's history is rife with this sort of "me-too" thing in a way no other company's is. Let me distil my point into one sentence: How many companies are copying Microsoft's products?
To sum up: Microsoft is slim on innovation, fat on looking over the shoulders of the smart kids in class...>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^mtadd:
Microsoft never fails to innovate their name on someone else's product.

Yes, because the iPad was, of course, the first tablet ever.



Cool story bro.

No, seriously though, you do raise some interesting arguments. The only point I was trying to make is that it seems a bit reductionist to dismiss the Surface as merely an iPad clone, when it seems like Microsoft is legitimately trying to do some interesting things with it and Windows 8, rather than just jumping on the iPad bandwagon.

Very true. And while all technology products are derivative of earlier products to some degree, I think Microsoft does more bandwagon-jumping than most. Let's look at the evidence.

* Java, made by Sun. "Reimagined" by Microsoft.
* Console gaming, made by Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Sony, et al. Microsoft gives us Xbox.
* Online Music, pioneered by Napster, made legitimate by Apple. Microsoft gives us MSN Music.
* MP3 player, pioneered by Rio, made super popular by Apple. Microsoft gives us Zune.
* Internet search, pioneered by Archie in 1990, made insanely profitable by Google. Microsoft gives us MSN. And Live Search. And Bing.

Far as tablet computing goes, Microsoft actually has a much bigger history than Apple. I remember MS peddling tablets back in 2001 with XP. Trouble is, XP was never designed as a touch interface. Even as recent as 2008, Microsoft tried this strategy with the Origami.

The innovation Apple made is to take its smartphone OS (whose design is based on touch) and pull it up to the tablet rather than take a full-blown desktop OS and push it down. This is the idea Microsoft is copying with Surface and Windows 8.

Other than Kinect, which is an innovative product since it is more than merely a response to the Wii, I'm not sure Microsoft invented anything. Even its flagship Office suite is based on earlier software (WordStar, WordPerfect, dBase, Lotus 1-2-3). In fact, when Microsoft first licensed MS-DOS to IBM for a huge profit back in 1981, it was essentially QDOS, which they purchased outright from some guy for $50,000. Deal of the century.

You may say, "Well Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. Why aren't they guilty of copying too?"

They are. But Microsoft's history is rife with this sort of "me-too" thing in a way no other company's is. Let me distil my point into one sentence: How many companies are copying Microsoft's products?

To sum up: Microsoft is slim on innovation, fat on looking over the shoulders of the smart kids in class...>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^mtadd:
Microsoft never fails to innovate their name on someone else's product.

Yes, because the iPad was, of course, the first tablet ever.

The most delicious thing about pistachios is the shell. See, the shell acts as a sort of limiter on the amount of pistachio you can feasible consume per second. It limits you just enough that you can never quite binge fast enough to make yourself sick of them. I find myself frantically trying to strip the salty pearl, desperately chasing the tail of the Dragon, fingers raw from the pursuit but I can never quite catch it.

Ofc, you could always stockpile shelled pistachios, but that is true madness. Who on earth could resist a unshelled pistachio for more than a second?

Oo, ee, oo ah ah, Ting tang, Wala wala bing bang...

>> ^UsesProzac:

Don't binge drink! BINGE DRINKING KILLS SMALL MAMMALS.


Actaully.........WELL SAID. Sifters, take note.

Don't binge drink! BINGE DRINKING KILLS SMALL MAMMALS.

who are you and what have you done with spell check? Dear god, man.
>> ^westy:

well its obvouse if your a muslim then u goina have find the cards like that funny , fucking hell , jokes are going to use imagary of a culture.
allso there is not annything inherlty bad about there been a load of mosks in NY city as much as Chirches , the issue is if the Mosks play by the rules or not or are going to be opressive.
My thing is let people build religouse shit if they want to but dont let them abuse women . dont let them indoctranate children with obvouse bullshit.
I think there is an argument for noise polustoin with mosks that would be a big concern of mine , i dont apreceat them bing so fucking noisy calling to prayre , same with chirch bells. Unless its a 1 off occasoin maby 15 x a year max.

The main thing about this thats amausing is how insacure amaercans are ,

http://videosift.com/video/Bing-and-Bowie-Little-Drummer-Boy

>> ^jonny:

>> ^ant:
>> ^jonny:
dead

notdead to me! Maybe blocked?

Weird - I just get a blank embed. No player, frame or anything. We're both in the US (right?), so I doubt it's blocked.


Yea, good old USA. It is on Bing.com: http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/season-5-episode-2-crash-pad/y0gszpqp ...

>> ^ReverendTed:

Every time I see a Wes Anderson movie trailer - Tenenbaums, Zissou, Rushmore, Fox, Darjeeling, and this one - I think, "That looks like a movie I'd really enjoy," yet I've never actually managed to see a single one of them.
I'd plan a Wes movie night, but I suspect that characteristic flavor might get a little stale by the end of a binge.


Do Rushmore at least. Great flick, very bittersweet and a lot of fun... to me it tastes a bit "Harold and Maude"-ish.

Every time I see a Wes Anderson movie trailer - Tenenbaums, Zissou, Rushmore, Fox, Darjeeling, and this one - I think, "That looks like a movie I'd really enjoy," yet I've never actually managed to see a single one of them.

I'd plan a Wes movie night, but I suspect that characteristic flavor might get a little stale by the end of a binge.

>> ^SDGundamX:

@westy
I think having only women in a video explicitly directed at male gamers communicates that only male gamers have weird attitudes towards women gamers. Which, if you've gamed for as long as I think you have, you realize is true--you never come across female gamers asking other female gamers if they're hot or to send pics of themselves.
@Gallowflak
I can't speak for the video's creators, but the message I took away from it is that the behavior continues because the community as a whole allows it to continue and takes a kind of "boys will be boys" attitude towards it all. They're asking the community to think about the issue a bit more and take a stand against it rather than just mute people who are being offensive. I think what they're hoping for is that the community as a whole does a bit of self-reflection.
I do all my online multiplayer on the PC (mostly FPS and RTS) and I got sick of the language and attitudes on the public servers a long time ago (literally years ago). When I play (which is admittedly not often now that I have a family) I usually only play on family-friendly servers that have an admin monitoring 24-7 (homophobic comments, griefing, and other undesirable behavior results in insta-banning). The only people who stick around are mature players just looking to have a good match (and occasionally their kids, who often are just as polite as their parents and often better players than the adults).
One thing I find interesting is that now that I live in Asia and connect to Asian (Japanese, Korean, Hong Kong, etc.) servers, I almost never see any of that undesirable behavior even on the public servers. It seems like the homophobic, misogynistic gamer is a Western cultural product. On the other hand, you will occasionally find racists on the Asian servers trash-talking other Asian groups.


I have had female gamers "hit" on me more than once and the thing is women dont / wont ask for images because often they are less focused on those aspects of attraction , a woman will fancy a guy because of accent , authroity , how friendly they are or some other querke and place more importance on that than raw looks of a guy ( compared to how heavily men way up looks and hence why men want to see an image of a woman) ( in general)

I have played with lots of women and met women on public servers and you get lots of women that game the men and play the men off each other just as much as the men ask for tits or GFO or other stupid shit. you allso get many women that are 100% down to earth easy going and dont hit on people or just converse in a normal way, the same with men.

for example there are just as manny anoying twatty kids/men online as there are nice normal people this video is just stupid and offers nothing to help the issue of discimination which happens to everyone.

I would definitely agree that there is more descrimination against women in general with games becuse its a male dominated thing at this piont in time , but the way for women to deel with it is to tell the men that are bing dicks to fuck off or simply be above it , Its very easy for women to find allies online and alie with non twat men and then game with resnable people.

As for a productive video if a woman made a video that was amusing clever or just showed a compitent woman bieng a woman then that would do far more to counter the discrimination.

Falicea Day comes to mind as a woman that is womany and promotes the image of women gaming in a non retarded and nomal way. But then you have people like Frag Dolls which are the apitomy of retardation.

Yeah, I was gonna say - this is me after three days of binge drinking.

>> ^artician:

Strange... that's exactly what they look like after you poison them too...

Someone needs to tell Ron Paul how microphones work. I know he's not the only person in politics who employs the non-stop shouting technique, but this is almost like attempting to watch The McLaughlin Group.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/mclaughlin-group/17wpc6xv3