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>> ^EvilDeathBee:

Endorsed by Republicans everywhere
Odd. I thought it was far-left liberals who were in support of removing bestiality laws. In the alternate universe where this is possible, I can already see the SCC arguments. I've got the bird parts, I should be able to marry that there Emu.

>> ^bobknight33:

Your comments make your a bigot.
liberals claim to be open minded and let everyone under the tent. I guess you only let those in if they agree with you.
You only open minded if I agree with you.
Not only are you a bigot you are also a hypocrite.

>> ^VoodooV:
Poor @bobknight33
Do you have a learning disorder, memory problem or both?
1. I very clearly stated that being a bigot in the privacy of your own home and in your own head is perfectly fine. Just that when it comes to public policy, your religious views have no place. Did you just fail to read that or did you choose to ignore it?
2. You made the argument questioning the number of homosexuals in America. Again, you failed to comprehend or you chose to ignore it when I said that the number of homosexuals in America, or the world is irrelevant and they are deserving of the same inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as you are.
Thirdly, there is this wonderful thing called a post history. You may not have said anything explicit in this sift about homosexuals (debatable), but thanks to your post history we know PRECISELY how you feel about homosexuals, blacks and other minorities. You're a coward bob, but you can't run away from your own documented words.



Ahh the "I know you are but what am I?" defense. Tell me bob, what is open minded about thinking homosexuals should be corralled into concentration camps? Please...enlighten me. Explain to me how homosexuality is wrong without using the bible and "it's gross" and "slippery slope to bestiality" Show me a glimmer of rational thought. Reason and logic beat myths and superstition every time.

You have a right to your opinion, but you're not safe from being criticized when your shit just doesn't pass muster. All opinions are not equally valid and shitty ideas have a way of being tossed aside

If you wanted an echo chamber, you're in the wrong place, bob.

You just described one of the biggest problems with religion in general. You ask a 1000 people who claim to be Christian to describe god and what they feel god is about and what god stands for and how you live a christian life and you'll get a 1000 different answers and 1000 different definitions of god and I'm sure many of them will conflict. And every one of them will believe their way is right and any other way is wrong.

Everyone..from the abortion clinic bombers and hard core evangelists and fundies to the most moderate liberal believer...they all get to claim a shared belief for some reason..they all get used as a demographic to intimidate people into believing that their beliefs are the majority when in reality it's a lot more fractured. There are no true believers, because no one can definitively prove that there is one true way.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^RadHazG:
Yes but Santorum equating being gay to bestiality isn't a similar treatment? Spare us your ignorant ranting you two, the Catholic church has done nearly to the same thing to those it opposes over the years. Have some of your own medicine for a change.

I don't like this whole "The Catholic Church" distinction. To me it's like when people blame America when they're really talking about just the government. The Catholic Church is a misnomer in my opinion that doesn't represent the majority of Catholics let alone it's churches and their individual leaderships.

"What caused me discomfort far more acute - because it was mental, not bodily - were the illustrations of the bestiality, the futility, the insanity of war and of the system that produced war as surely as land uncultivated produces noxious weeds: these were now forced on my notice every day. "

"The first cart of dead that I saw, legs sticking out stiffly, heads lolling on shoulders, all the poor bodies shovelled into a pit and covered with quicklime, made me wonder what the owners had been doing when they were called up, crammed into uniforms, and told to kill, maim, mutilate other men like themselves, with whom they had no quarrel. All of them had left behind many who would be grieved, perhaps beggared, by their taking off. And all to no purpose, for nothing."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWstretcher.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Jfyfe.htm

Our military gets kids before they are diagnosed with any mental disorders... they dont weed those with OCD and depression and daddy issues out... we give them guns and tell them they are killers, then they realize its all bullshit and they suicide or go apeshit... at a higher rate than other professions.

you couldnt make a better formula for disaster and record profits. a war that isn't involving most of the population of the country winning is not really a war. its a game for profit and young men who like to feel important.

It seems you were the one that fell for the illogical Bareboards... Just because I stated an opinion against a person you assume that I take a stance counter to what the person is saying?

Let me make myself clear then. You are incorrect. I believe that marriage should be gifted to people that love and value each other. A man loving a man is no less beautiful than a man loving a woman. Who am I to judge, just because I am straight?

Likewise, I think a man or woman should be able to marry as he pleases. E.g., a man should be able to have three wives if he and they so choose. The law should not interfere such arrangements but support it.

You know what is ironic BB? Some gays and lesbians bash my point of view, that polygamy is acceptable, because they are bigoted against polygamy or because it inconvenient to their argument. For example, those against gay marriage bring up bestiality and polygamy as the "next logical step." They ask where these rights will end? Should a man be able to marry five wives or his dog, they say. And do most gays say, "WAIT THE FUCK UP. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THE LOVE OF A MAN FOR MORE THAN ONE WOMEN TO THE LOVE OF AN ANIMAL?!!!!" No, no they do not. In fact, they ridicule my beliefs by stating something like, "No, nobody is talking about making bestiality or polygamy legal. Those are absurd lifestyles and will never be accepted."

I am actually shocked that they would allow the comparison, then go so far as to be derisive of other people's rights that they themselves fight tooth and nail for, and basically call those people's beliefs equal to that of pig fuckers.

You know why they do this right? For their own agenda. It's like the kid at school who is about to be picked on. That kid then turns on a weaker, more ridiculed kid and beats him up so that everyone will stop picking on him. I have only heard a few with courage enough to take the political heat and speak up for both sides...and it saddens me.

No, you won't find an argument from me against gay marriage. I am only in support of marriage equality. By pointing out to messenger that this is a rehashed argument, I merely, politely at first, was pointing out that his reason for promoting this video was a little silly. It, to me at least, was like he just woke up one day to find out that Obama won the presidency. This argument has been around for quite some time and it amused me--not at Messenger's expense.

Now, let me focus on my real discontent with the video content. Marriage for life is batshit insane. To accuse someone of having the belief that marriage is a lifelong commitment to me is a very serious accusation because marriage for life, as I have said, is batshit insane. I am equally offended when the religious nuts demean gays by accusing most of being into pedophilia. Both things I mention are batshit insane. You better have proof, at least to me, or your a bigoted asshole.

My message is clear. Don't lump people together. I would think that the persecuted, such as gays and lesbians, would understand this the most. But, in fact, it seems to be the opposite. It is okay to lump our enemies together because they do it to us...

>> ^bareboards2:

I'm guessing that you think marriage should be between "a man and a woman", @Lawdeedaw?
Because the rest of us hear this "rehash of other people's arguments" and hear someone who had done RESEARCH and APPLIED LOGIC to the topic.
Your emotional response -- and picking out one error (that I don't know is an error, I am taking your word for it) and declaiming loudly that the whole of the rest must be wrong -- smacks very strongly of an emotional, non-logical response to a series of rational statements.
Perhaps you might apply that emotional logic to your position? Maybe see that perhaps one itsy bitsy thing might be factually wrong with your position? Then you would be compelled, by your own logic, to throw out absolutely everything you believe.
Here's a proposition: Following are two statements of fact from this presentation:
1. Traditional marriage defined as "between one man and one woman" is a modern invention.
2. Denying marriage to committed gay couples is denying them the same rights and protections under the law as heterosexual couples.
Let's tack on another one -- there are plenty of Christians out there who believe that their religion is just fine with gay marriage. So why should your version of the Christian religion carry more weight in the law than their version of the Christian religion?
There is space here. Go to it. Refute those three statements with logic and facts. I'd be interested in hearing how you respond.

What caused me discomfort far more acute - because it was mental, not bodily - were the illustrations of the bestiality, the futility, the insanity of war and of the system that produced war as surely as land uncultivated produces noxious weeds: these were now forced on my notice every day.


The first cart of dead that I saw, legs sticking out stiffly, heads lolling on shoulders, all the poor bodies shovelled into a pit and covered with quicklime, made me wonder what the owners had been doing when they were called up, crammed into uniforms, and told to kill, maim, mutilate other men like themselves, with whom they had no quarrel. All of them had left behind many who would be grieved, perhaps beggared, by their taking off. And all to no purpose, for nothing.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWstretcher.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Jfyfe.htm

some things are always go hand in hand, like rich and being better off. who wants to give that up...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^RadHazG:
Yes but Santorum equating being gay to bestiality isn't a similar treatment? Spare us your ignorant ranting you two, the Catholic church has done nearly to the same thing to those it opposes over the years. Have some of your own medicine for a change.

I don't like this whole "The Catholic Church" distinction. To me it's like when people blame America when they're really talking about just the government. The Catholic Church is a misnomer in my opinion that doesn't represent the majority of Catholics let alone it's churches and their individual leaderships.


Truth, however that is the difference between "The Catholic Church" and "Catholics". The Church as a whole i.e. the majority of its upper power structure and the ones responsible for speaking for it have absolutely done this. I wouldn't make expect every or even most Catholics to necessarily follow the same line as the Church itself (see: women's contraception).

>> ^RadHazG:

Yes but Santorum equating being gay to bestiality isn't a similar treatment? Spare us your ignorant ranting you two, the Catholic church has done nearly to the same thing to those it opposes over the years. Have some of your own medicine for a change.


I don't like this whole "The Catholic Church" distinction. To me it's like when people blame America when they're really talking about just the government. The Catholic Church is a misnomer in my opinion that doesn't represent the majority of Catholics let alone it's churches and their individual leaderships.

Yes but Santorum equating being gay to bestiality isn't a similar treatment? Spare us your ignorant ranting you two, the Catholic church has done nearly to the same thing to those it opposes over the years. Have some of your own medicine for a change.

>> ^shinyblurry:

I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/
I feel sorry for our troops that they have to serve with this kind of thing going on, which is now approved by the powers that be. America is fading fast, and judgement cannot be far behind.


Ok you've just gone from mildly aggravating to downright disgusting in one comment. Congratulations, bigot

Somebody hasn't been reading Leviticus all the way through.
>> ^shinyblurry:

I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/
I feel sorry for our troops that they have to serve with this kind of thing going on, which is now approved by the powers that be. America is fading fast, and judgement cannot be far behind.

sb actually quoted Faux Noise? L-fucking-O-L

I quoted you @ChaosEngine because even reading sb's hateful, ignorant shit makes me feel dirty, so I don't want to unignore.
>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^shinyblurry:
I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/

You might actually get laid, shiny...

>> ^shinyblurry:

I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/


You might actually get laid, shiny...