Fortunately, this tool has little to no chance of becoming POTUS. Unfortunately, any other of the running Republicans are practically just as crazy.

There's something wrong in that country indeed.

Did he really just say "Obama's war on religion"?

Rick Perry, and those like him, are what's wrong with America.

Fuck you Rick.

As of right now:
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I recommend flagging this video as inappropriate on yt with the reason "Hateful or abusive content".

>> ^Truckchase:

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Great suggestion. Done.

It terrifies me that someone like this could even be considered for any leadership position.

*promote

Self promoting this video back to the front page; last published Wednesday, December 7th, 2011 8:12pm PST - promote requested by original submitter Hybrid.

Did I miss something? How are kids being banned from celebrating Christmas? And last I knew praying in school was just fine it just couldn't be a school mandated. But hey that's probably the problem, kids have to choose to participate rather than having to choose not to. Here's a thought, maybe you shouldn't try to run religion like some credit check scam website. WELCOME TO PUBLIC SCHOOL: Prayer services are held in the morning and afternoon, if you wish to opt out you must obtain a consent form and meet administrative approval where you can then be banished to the heathen zone for the duration of prayer services.

I am quoting this so this gets in the general comment stream again, for those who read the comment stream.

I also sent this suggestion to Dan Savage and his alt newspaper The Stranger.

This is so stellar. I'm vibrating with happiness at the ability to actually DO SOMETHING about crap like this.


>> ^Truckchase:

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those numbers have since doubled on both sides. That I recall not even Rebecca Black had such low poll numbers.

http://videosift.com/video/What-I-hear-when-Rick-Perry-Talks

So he's basically arguing for strength through unity, and unity through faith?

*fake depth-of-field/tilt-shift photoshop-filter fail.

Does he mean to repeal the separation of church and state built into the US constitution?
Does he mean to amend the constitution to remove the part about all men being equal?
Does he mean to return the religious heritage where Christians massacred the "savages" of North America?
If not NorthAm, than where?


I'm not sure Rick thought these things through.

11 hours since @Truckchase's quality suggestion. Rick's video is up to: 6,164 likes, 284,665 dislikes out of 747,019 views. I think his views are not as popular as he thought.

Even if Rick Perry win's the RePub nomination, he has no chance of unseating the current president.

>> ^Truckchase:

As of right now:
2,064 likes
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What a lying piece of shit.

You can live in denial that God has richly blessed this country, but it's undeniable that it has become quantifiably worse since we started turning our back on Him. America was founded on Christian principles, and if you want to tear out the foundation, the whole thing will going to collapse.

>> ^A10anis:
"And, as president, i will take America back to the dark ages where, once again, religion will supress freedom of thought, and dictate all aspects of our lives."

I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/

I feel sorry for our troops that they have to serve with this kind of thing going on, which is now approved by the powers that be. America is fading fast, and judgement cannot be far behind.

he's up to 7,177 likes, 318,276 dislikes.

>> ^shinyblurry:

I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/


You might actually get laid, shiny...

Oh that's too funny, how high will they let this get before they pull it in shame?

And the absolute best part?? He's wearing the identical coat that one of the gay cowboys wore in Brokeback Mountain. Look it up. True story.

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And counting. I flagged it for Hateful and Abusive content.

sb actually quoted Faux Noise? L-fucking-O-L

I quoted you @ChaosEngine because even reading sb's hateful, ignorant shit makes me feel dirty, so I don't want to unignore.
>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^shinyblurry:
I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/

You might actually get laid, shiny...

>> ^shinyblurry:

You can live in denial that God has richly blessed this country, but it's undeniable that it has become quantifiably worse since we started turning our back on Him. America was founded on Christian principles, and if you want to tear out the foundation, the whole thing will going to collapse.
>> ^A10anis:
"And, as president, i will take America back to the dark ages where, once again, religion will supress freedom of thought, and dictate all aspects of our lives."



Slavery?

Ho-Lee-Fuck!

http://i.minus.com/ibaECqzniIgYLz.gif

A little bit NSFW.

Did he really end this with saying " i approve this message" after he's just finished saying the message?

the line of the declaration of independence, "with the help of divine intervention" was added only because it was asked to be and everyone thought, "yeah okay." i really hate it when people say this country was founded on faith. sure, it was there, and it was the reason a lot of people came, but they came for the freedom to NOT have to follow that religion, or ANY religion.

Since we started turning our back on the Christian god? You mean like when the writer of the Constitution plainly stated that the first amendment was intended to provide a wall of separation between church and state? Or how so many of the founding fathers were deist, not Christian? The foundation surely has nothing to do with marriage, homosexual or otherwise. Just which Christian principles are you claiming America was founded on? And which denomination?
>> ^shinyblurry:

You can live in denial that God has richly blessed this country, but it's undeniable that it has become quantifiably worse since we started turning our back on Him. America was founded on Christian principles, and if you want to tear out the foundation, the whole thing will going to collapse.
>> ^A10anis:
"And, as president, i will take America back to the dark ages where, once again, religion will supress freedom of thought, and dictate all aspects of our lives."

Somebody hasn't been reading Leviticus all the way through.
>> ^shinyblurry:

I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/
I feel sorry for our troops that they have to serve with this kind of thing going on, which is now approved by the powers that be. America is fading fast, and judgement cannot be far behind.

We did it: Rick Perry officially has most hated youtube video.

Since we started turning our back on the Christian god? You mean like when the writer of the Constitution plainly stated that the first amendment was intended to provide a wall of separation between church and state? Or how so many of the founding fathers were deist, not Christian? The foundation surely has nothing to do with marriage, homosexual or otherwise. Just which Christian principles are you claiming America was founded on? And which denomination?

This is what Jefferson wrote, which was not an official government document:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State"

What that obviously means is that it is protecting the church from the government, not the government from the church. The original intention of the establishment clause was to prevent any denomination from becoming the state religion. Since then it has been selectively interpreted to exclude Christianity from public affairs, mostly due to the inclusion of the case law standard.

Where do you get this idea that "so many of the founding fathers" were Deist? You could make a strong case for perhaps 2 or 3 of them. The rest were practicing Christians for which there is ample evidence. 24 of the signers have seminary degrees and one of them was a practicing minister. They opened the first session of congress with a 3 hour prayer and then a bible study. Franklin proposed that they open every congress with prayer at the first constitutional convention and since that time, every session has opened with prayer (until the last few years)

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

Do you think Jefferson is a Deist? Why did he write this?:

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have lost the only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson

Why did he hold church services in the house of representitives?

These were the three main reference materials cited by the framers:

king james bible
spirit of the laws
commentaries laws of england - blackstone, based on ten commandments

The rule of law is based on Gods natural, unchanging law. James madison had the idea for our three branches of government based on Isaiah 33:22. The reason we have checks and balances is because man has a sinful nature and they didn't believe any man could be trusted with power.

The liberty bell is inscribed with leviticus 25:10. In the battle hymm of the republic: "as christ died to make men holy, let us die to make men free"

our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

John Adams

the bible is the rock on which our republic rests

andrew jackson

Now historians are discovering that the bible, perhaps even more than the constitution, is our founding document

Newsweek 12/27/82

>> ^DrewNumberTwo>> ^DrewNumberTwo

>> ^luxury_pie:

We did it: Rick Perry officially has most hated youtube video.


Strong ad surpasses Friday Ha! I called it!

shiney you can whine and gripe all you want. So can every christian out there. It all amounts to the same thing : The big kid on the block crying about not having EVERYTHING he wants when he already has everything else. Fact : You can NOT be elected president of these united states without being religious, more specifically christian or some version of it. It's almost as difficult to be elected to any other branch of office without being religious. When polled, people will inevitably place atheists or any other form of non-believer title as dead last for people they would vote for, beyond even muslims or gays.

as for the founding fathers, they lived in a time where it was even MORE dangerous for a politician to be non-religious, by default they had to be religious in public so that they could remain in a position of power. Any public action relating to religion becomes suspect, and whatever prayer services and what not they proposed, the private writings of Franklin, Jefferson and others clearly stated that whatever they were, avowed christians wasn't one of them.

>> ^Jinx:

http://i.minus.com/ibaECqzniIgYLz.gif
A little bit NSFW.


LOL, I just wish it could be a siftable video.

@shinyblurry:

The bible isn't some mythical book written by some omnipotent being. It is a collections of short stories, carefully selected and complied by the Roman Catholic church 200 years after some guy names Jesus may or may not have lived. They were hand selected and occasionally edited to create a book that the Roman Catholic church could use to control and scare the pagan and outlying sects of early christianity under one banner.....theirs.

To say this nation was founded on Christian ideals is a complete and utter fallacy, one that has been force fed to you and every other American for decades. The entire revolutionary war and the rebellion against England had absolutely nothing to do with god or religion. It was due to the occupation of Boston, the taxes levied on everything imported or exported from the colonies and the fact that the colonials were fed up with totalitarian control from a king 3000 miles away. When those men were killed at The Boston Massacre in 1770, their religion, race or background played zero part in the aftermath and the birth of a revolution that soon followed.

Were members of the first Continental Congress religious? Of course. Were they highly educated and well read? Absolutely. The Bible was one of the most widely available books at that time and I am sure every one of them had read it. I am a staunch atheist and even I have read it cover to cover (ironically reinforcing my atheism). Of course references to the bible are in the early writings, documents and monuments of the day. The bible, while complete, man-made fiction, is still full of fairly useful and often poignant quotes.

Freedom of religion is as much freedom FROM religion and it is to practice whatever religions you want as you see fit. The separation of church and state was not only to avoid having a state religion, but to also avoid the church taking over the government as it had so many times in history. Sadly, we have fallen right back in the trap where religion, specifically CHRISTIAN religion, has as much impact on policy in the America government today as it did during the crusades in Europe when people's lives were dictated by what the church deemed appropriate and right and not the people as a whole. When you have a president of this nation saying that he went to war, ignoring Congress in the process, in the Middle East because god told him to, shit has gone WAY too far.

Jefferson wrote about a wall of separation, not a one way door. "Religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God" means just that. Note that the government is not mentioned in that relationship. Further, the idea that homosexuals can't serve in the military has nothing at all to do with the Bible. Even if we accept that the Bible says that homosexual feelings or activity is a sin, there's no mention in the Bible that I'm aware of that says that sinners can't be in the military. If the military wishes to exclude all sinners, then according to many Christians no one could serve at all. But regardless of all that, the Bible is indistinguishable from fiction, and deserves to be treated as such.

As for whether or not the founding fathers were mostly deist, I do need to do more research. Some of your claims point to you being correct. Others aren't relevant.
>> ^shinyblurry:

Since we started turning our back on the Christian god? You mean like when the writer of the Constitution plainly stated that the first amendment was intended to provide a wall of separation between church and state? Or how so many of the founding fathers were deist, not Christian? The foundation surely has nothing to do with marriage, homosexual or otherwise. Just which Christian principles are you claiming America was founded on? And which denomination?
This is what Jefferson wrote, which was not an official government document:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State"
What that obviously means is that it is protecting the church from the government, not the government from the church. The original intention of the establishment clause was to prevent any denomination from becoming the state religion. Since then it has been selectively interpreted to exclude Christianity from public affairs, mostly due to the inclusion of the case law standard.
Where do you get this idea that "so many of the founding fathers" were Deist? You could make a strong case for perhaps 2 or 3 of them. The rest were practicing Christians for which there is ample evidence. 24 of the signers have seminary degrees and one of them was a practicing minister. They opened the first session of congress with a 3 hour prayer and then a bible study. Franklin proposed that they open every congress with prayer at the first constitutional convention and since that time, every session has opened with prayer (until the last few years)
http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html
Do you think Jefferson is a Deist? Why did he write this?:
And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have lost the only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
Why did he hold church services in the house of representitives?
These were the three main reference materials cited by the framers:
king james bible
spirit of the laws
commentaries laws of england - blackstone, based on ten commandments
The rule of law is based on Gods natural, unchanging law. James madison had the idea for our three branches of government based on Isaiah 33:22. The reason we have checks and balances is because man has a sinful nature and they didn't believe any man could be trusted with power.
The liberty bell is inscribed with leviticus 25:10. In the battle hymm of the republic: "as christ died to make men holy, let us die to make men free"
our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other
John Adams
the bible is the rock on which our republic rests
andrew jackson
Now historians are discovering that the bible, perhaps even more than the constitution, is our founding document
Newsweek 12/27/82
>> ^DrewNumberTwo>> ^DrewNumberTwo

shiney you can whine and gripe all you want. So can every christian out there. It all amounts to the same thing : The big kid on the block crying about not having EVERYTHING he wants when he already has everything else. Fact : You can NOT be elected president of these united states without being religious, more specifically christian or some version of it. It's almost as difficult to be elected to any other branch of office without being religious. When polled, people will inevitably place atheists or any other form of non-believer title as dead last for people they would vote for, beyond even muslims or gays.

You've got Obama, who is probably an atheist and the most secular president we've had in a long time. In any case, this is exactly my point. If this nation were primarily atheist, do you think any Christians would be elected president? So why should you be surprised when a nation that believes in God doesn't elect any atheists? I am against the secularization of this country just as you would be against the christianization of an atheistic state.

as for the founding fathers, they lived in a time where it was even MORE dangerous for a politician to be non-religious, by default they had to be religious in public so that they could remain in a position of power. Any public action relating to religion becomes suspect, and whatever prayer services and what not they proposed, the private writings of Franklin, Jefferson and others clearly stated that whatever they were, avowed christians wasn't one of them.

The founding fathers do not equal Jefferson and Franklin. Why is it when atheists talk about the founding fathers they bring up these two as if they represent all of them? Most of the founding fathers were Christians, and many of those devout. You can believe that they were all secret atheists but the historical records don't agree with you.

>> ^RadHazG

The bible isn't some mythical book written by some omnipotent being. It is a collections of short stories, carefully selected and complied by the Roman Catholic church 200 years after some guy names Jesus may or may not have lived. They were hand selected and occasionally edited to create a book that the Roman Catholic church could use to control and scare the pagan and outlying sects of early christianity under one banner.....theirs.

The bible is the inspired word of God, and your read of history leaves much to be desired. First, many of the books in the NT were considered canon around 140 AD, just as the early church was getting its start, and there was no conspiracy in selecting them. The only issue in the selection process was to weed out the gnostic writings and the uninspired works from the old testament era. Second, the RCC was not an institution until much later. By the time the bible was canonized in 367, the whole church was in agreement about what should be in it. There is also no evidence of editing. We have the early manuscripts and can check this.

To say this nation was founded on Christian ideals is a complete and utter fallacy, one that has been force fed to you and every other American for decades. The entire revolutionary war and the rebellion against England had absolutely nothing to do with god or religion. It was due to the occupation of Boston, the taxes levied on everything imported or exported from the colonies and the fact that the colonials were fed up with totalitarian control from a king 3000 miles away. When those men were killed at The Boston Massacre in 1770, their religion, race or background played zero part in the aftermath and the birth of a revolution that soon followed.

That's as biased a read of american history as I have ever heard. To say that Christianity had nothing to do with the founding of this country is patently absurd. If you want evidence, feel free to read my other post, or do some *unbiased* research. I suppose you have never seen the Mayflower Compact?

http://www.pilgrimhall.org/compact.htm

Were members of the first Continental Congress religious? Of course. Were they highly educated and well read? Absolutely. The Bible was one of the most widely available books at that time and I am sure every one of them had read it. I am a staunch atheist and even I have read it cover to cover (ironically reinforcing my atheism). Of course references to the bible are in the early writings, documents and monuments of the day. The bible, while complete, man-made fiction, is still full of fairly useful and often poignant quotes.

It's impossible for you to understand the bible without the Holy Spirit. It might as well have been written in swahili for the good that it did you reading it. The accuracy of the bible is not just a historical matter but also in how it describes the human condition. That's why you have those quotes you have to admit are undeniably true, because the bible tells us the reality of the human heart. Yes, of course the founders read it (many of them went to seminary). There were many books in those days, and many philosophies, but they specifically chose the bible, and books based on the bible, as references to draft our nations founding documents, which itself is well documented. Most of them believed the bible was the inspired word of God, which was the reason they used it, not because it was a "popular book of short stories".

Freedom of religion is as much freedom FROM religion and it is to practice whatever religions you want as you see fit. The separation of church and state was not only to avoid having a state religion, but to also avoid the church taking over the government as it had so many times in history. Sadly, we have fallen right back in the trap where religion, specifically CHRISTIAN religion, has as much impact on policy in the America government today as it did during the crusades in Europe when people's lives were dictated by what the church deemed appropriate and right and not the people as a whole. When you have a president of this nation saying that he went to war, ignoring Congress in the process, in the Middle East because god told him to, shit has gone WAY too far.

Apparently you don't know but there was a defacto state religion; almost every state had its own church, and every state constitution mentioned God. Again, they held church every sunday in the house of representitives. Clearly the founders were not interested in removing religion from government, they were only concerned about the balance of power. The secular dream you think the founders had never existed; they loved God and deliberately included Him in public affairs. After they wrote the constitution, Washington declared a day of thanksgiving and praise to God

"to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God"

"http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/firsts/thanksgiving/"

>> ^Hive13

Jefferson wrote about a wall of separation, not a one way door. "Religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God" means just that. Note that the government is not mentioned in that relationship. Further, the idea that homosexuals can't serve in the military has nothing at all to do with the Bible. Even if we accept that the Bible says that homosexual feelings or activity is a sin, there's no mention in the Bible that I'm aware of that says that sinners can't be in the military. If the military wishes to exclude all sinners, then according to many Christians no one could serve at all. But regardless of all that, the Bible is indistinguishable from fiction, and deserves to be treated as such.

You're correct, that there is nothing in the bible that specifically would exclude someone practicing homosexuality from serving in the military. I was mainly decrying the fact that they have legalized sodomy in the miltary.

As for whether or not the founding fathers were mostly deist, I do need to do more research. Some of your claims point to you being correct. Others aren't relevant.

You can find a lot of useful information at http://wallbuilders.com/

>> ^DrewNumberTwo

@shinyblurry:

The Mayflower and the people aboard her were a deeply religious sect of people that did indeed flee to the colonies to practice their religion. I fully understand that.

What you, and most cherry-picking christians fail to acknowledge is that the Mayflower crew was not the first nor the second or even the third permanent settlement in the new world. Jamestown, roughly 20 years prior was established without pretense of religion by wealthy Europeans hoping to find gold. The were ill-equipped and not manual laborers so to speak and that's why the first Jamestown settlement was in dire straights. A second crew arrived and began growing tobacco, which, at the time, the sale of tobacco seeds was outlawed outside of Spain. John Rolfe acquired some and thus established the first functional, economically viable colony at Jamestown a full six years before the Mayflower even sailed from England.

Economy, money and enterprise is what established America, not some freedom from religious persecution as, again, Americans have been force fed for years.

I am not discounting what the pilgrims did at Plymouth. They did amazing things, especially with the Indians. I just want to clear that Plymouth was not what founded the colonies. They were not the first and were one of many.

The Mayflower and the people aboard her were a deeply religious sect of people that did indeed flee to the colonies to practice their religion. I fully understand that.

What you, and most cherry-picking christians fail to acknowledge is that the Mayflower crew was not the first nor the second or even the third permanent settlement in the new world. Jamestown, roughly 20 years prior was established without pretense of religion by wealthy Europeans hoping to find gold. The were ill-equipped and not manual laborers so to speak and that's why the first Jamestown settlement was in dire straights. A second crew arrived and began growing tobacco, which, at the time, the sale of tobacco seeds was outlawed outside of Spain. John Rolfe acquired some and thus established the first functional, economically viable colony at Jamestown a full six years before the Mayflower even sailed from England.

Economy, money and enterprise is what established America, not some freedom from religious persecution as, again, Americans have been force fed for years.

You're right, the first wave of settlers weren't strongly committed Christians, although one of the first things they did upon arriving was join the Rev. Robert Hunt in a communion service. However everything else is the complete opposite of what you said. Indeed, John Rolfe was the first to establish the colony, but what you've left out is that he was a deeply committed Christian! He is the one who converted Pocahontas to Christianity and took her as a bride. He had a Christian purpose for Jamestown such as to "advance the Honor of God, and to propagate his Gospel." He also said:

"no small hope by piety, clemency, courtesy and civil demeanor to convert and bring to the knowledge and true worship of Jesus Christ 1000s of poor wretched and misbelieving people: on whose faces a good Christian cannot look, without sorrow, pity and commiseration; seeing they bear the Image of our heavenly Creator, and we and they come from one and the same mold. . ."

So yes, Christianity was there at the outset, and it continued to be the prevailing influence in shaping this country.

I am not discounting what the pilgrims did at Plymouth. They did amazing things, especially with the Indians. I just want to clear that Plymouth was not what founded the colonies. They were not the first and were one of many.

If you won't listen to me, listen to the library of congress:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html


>> ^Hive13

WHY do you people insist on feeding the troll?

He's like a feral cat: if you feed him, he keeps coming around. Which is a good thing only if you intend to trap and neuter him. Now there's a thought...

Amen brother!

Ha.

>> ^Stormsinger:

WHY do you people insist on feeding the troll?
He's like a feral cat: if you feed him, he keeps coming around. Which is a good thing only if you intend to trap and neuter him. Now there's a thought...

This video, for me, perfectly illustrates the main problem I have with religion (aside from it being a load of preposterous made-up junk), which is that it legitimises attitudes like Perry's, creating an environment where hate and wilful ignorance can enter the mainstream without criticism as long as the speaker claims his disgusting attitude is inspired by a holy book. It makes me shudder that a man like this, who feels completely secure in his superstition-fuelled scripturally-endorsed hatred, can run for President. Idiots like Perry should be shouted down long before they get their head this far above the parapet, but the tolerance that people think we have to pay to "religious views" provides immunity for them, as anyone can claim their persecution of any group or individual they don't like is simply their "religious views", and will immediately get respect and deference.

We don't have to tolerate this.

>> ^shinyblurry:

I wouldn't vote for perry, but I agree with the message. Sin should never be normalized or legislated in society. Just recently they repealed the sodomy laws in the miltary for homosexuals, and it also repealed laws against bestiality:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics
/2011/12/08/senate-defense-bill-repeals-military-law-on-sodomy-sex-with-animals/
I feel sorry for our troops that they have to serve with this kind of thing going on, which is now approved by the powers that be. America is fading fast, and judgement cannot be far behind.


Ok you've just gone from mildly aggravating to downright disgusting in one comment. Congratulations, bigot

Homosexuality is a sin and you need to repent. Whatever you might think, God is the judge and He has commanded everyone to repent of their sins. Anyone who dies in their sin without salvation will spend eternity in hell, and I don't want that to happen to you, so please do not go on in your rebellion against Gods authority. This wicked society is changing to accomodate this sin, and it is emboldening people to believe that they are right and God is wrong, but regardless of what men say you are the one who will give account to God.

Please do not let flawed Christians (we're all flawed) sway your opinion of what is right and wrong, because Satan uses hypocrites to embolden sinners. Don't fall into the trap, but escape with your soul and seek Gods forgiveness. This life is only temporary and what you do here has eternal consequences. Jesus loves you so please seek His forgiveness.



>> ^FlowersInHisHair

I've had it. Look. Sin doesn't exist - because there is no god. I'm not rebelling against your god because there is no god to rebel against. I do not say that your god is wrong, I say there is no god to be wrong. I'm gay and unreptentant because there is nobody who demands repentance of me - nobody I value the opinion of anyway, and there are no consequences for non-repentance because there is no god sitting in judgement. Anyone who believes there is a god is wasting their time - we only have one life, and it's happening now. Stop trying to convert me to your stupid lying religion and leave me alone to love and live as I choose. I'm not hurting anyone, not even myself.

Even if you disagree with me, bear in mind that I'm not interested in joining your superstitious web of immoral fiction so do not reply with attempts to convert me. Do not consider me lost, I am anything but.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Homosexuality is a sin and you need to repent. Whatever you might think, God is the judge and He has commanded everyone to repent of their sins. Anyone who dies in their sin without salvation will spend eternity in hell, and I don't want that to happen to you, so please do not go on in your rebellion against Gods authority. This wicked society is changing to accomodate this sin, and it is emboldening people to believe that they are right and God is wrong, but regardless of what men say you are the one who will give account to God.
Please do not let flawed Christians (we're all flawed) sway your opinion of what is right and wrong, because Satan uses hypocrites to embolden sinners. Don't fall into the trap, but escape with your soul and seek Gods forgiveness. This life is only temporary and what you do here has eternal consequences. Jesus loves you so please seek His forgiveness.
>> ^FlowersInHisHair

I hear that you don't believe in God. I understand that, I used to be agnostic. It probably seems silly, frustating and even hurtful to tell you about sin. What I know is that God is real, and the bible is true. What I know is that you don't have to believe in sin to be a sinner, and you don't have to believe in God to be held accountable to Him. What I know is that you are hurting yourself spiritually, and that sin is slavery to the devil. So, regardless of whether you believe me or not, I am compelled on a moral level, and a heart level to tell you that there is a God and that unless you stop breaking His rules and get right with Him, you are facing eternal consequences. I'm sorry if you don't like that, and I am not trying to be hateful, I am just telling you the truth. God will judge the world and we will all stand before Him. You need to be born again and get right with God. God bless.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
I've had it. Look. Sin doesn't exist - because there is no god. I'm not rebelling against your god because there is no god to rebel against. I do not say that your god is wrong, I say there is no god to be wrong. I'm gay and unreptentant because there is nobody who demands repentance of me - nobody I value the opinion of anyway, and there are no consequences for non-repentance because there is no god sitting in judgement. Anyone who believes there is a god is wasting their time - we only have one life, and it's happening now. Stop trying to convert me to your stupid lying religion and leave me alone to love and live as I choose. I'm not hurting anyone, not even myself.
Even if you disagree with me, bear in mind that I'm not interested in joining your superstitious web of immoral fiction so do not reply with attempts to convert me. Do not consider me lost, I am anything but.
>> ^shinyblurry:
Homosexuality is a sin and you need to repent. Whatever you might think, God is the judge and He has commanded everyone to repent of their sins. Anyone who dies in their sin without salvation will spend eternity in hell, and I don't want that to happen to you, so please do not go on in your rebellion against Gods authority. This wicked society is changing to accomodate this sin, and it is emboldening people to believe that they are right and God is wrong, but regardless of what men say you are the one who will give account to God.
Please do not let flawed Christians (we're all flawed) sway your opinion of what is right and wrong, because Satan uses hypocrites to embolden sinners. Don't fall into the trap, but escape with your soul and seek Gods forgiveness. This life is only temporary and what you do here has eternal consequences. Jesus loves you so please seek His forgiveness.
>> ^FlowersInHisHair

Hiding your bullying behind religious justifications makes it worse, not better. Leave me alone.

>> ^shinyblurry:

I hear that you don't believe in God. I understand that, I used to be agnostic. It probably seems silly, frustating and even hurtful to tell you about sin. What I know is that God is real, and the bible is true. What I know is that you don't have to believe in sin to be a sinner, and you don't have to believe in God to be held accountable to Him. What I know is that you are hurting yourself spiritually, and that sin is slavery to the devil. So, regardless of whether you believe me or not, I am compelled on a moral level, and a heart level to tell you that there is a God and that unless you stop breaking His rules and get right with Him, you are facing eternal consequences. I'm sorry if you don't like that, and I am not trying to be hateful, I am just telling you the truth. God will judge the world and we will all stand before Him. You need to be born again and get right with God. God bless.

I like @shinyblurry, he brings everything I don't like about religious people to the point.

Out of interest: Is there anything god won't forgive? What happens when one of his lambs sins in the afterlife? Even more-eternal consequences?

Come to think of it, there is probably no such thing as sinning in the afterlife, right? Can you explain in your own words why that is?

No, I feel sorry for troops to have to serve with THIS kind of thing going on:

The Dover Air Force Base mortuary for years disposed of portions of troops’ remains by cremating them and dumping the ashes in a Virginia landfill. /washington post

tax the churches as businesses.

because that's what they are.
and they are in the business of selling you poo

>> ^garmachi:

It terrifies me that someone like this could even be considered for any leadership position.


yeah totally! it looks like the majority of Republican candidates are megalomaniacs, who think god speaks directly to them.
Unfortunately, much of america also thinks god speaks to them...
and much of the world thinks god talks to them also. directly, or through a representative (priest), or a book.
uhh...houston we have a problem.

and that problem is psychological...a world-wide mass delusion rooted in self-worship.

but it's changing fast!
empathy is the new cool!

Call me old fashioned, but I still believe there's only one true God. And he lives in this lake, and his name is Zorgo.