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David Attenborough on how to save the planet

eoe says...

1. Even though I definitively know the world is beyond fucked at this point, I still think the scientists are not doing themselves any favours by making these "probably" scenarios rather than almost definite ones. As said, even though in some ways I'm looking forward to when the shit starts hitting the fan, I've lost faith in knowing when it'll actually start happening. It seems like every other week I'm told that "soon it'll really start to go all to shit". And it never really does, especially for 1st world countries.

2. Great Filter, Humanity. Humanity, Great Filter. Nice to meet you.

3. I'm beginning to want to start a pot of which terrible thing will happen first to 1st world countries (sadly, the beginning will be poor countries getting fucked and 1st world countries complaining that it now costs $30 for a single banana). Super bugs and catastrophic pandemics (maybe measles!)? Climate change? Nuclear war? Massive migrations of refugees who can't live where they are due to climate change or war? Water shortages? Wealth inequality that will implode on itself? There are so many terrible things on the precipice of happening that I don't even know what I'd bet on, honestly.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson - Science in America

newtboy says...

That is certainly what your ilk is hoping, and it is why they politicize any science they dislike in order to attempt to discredit it.
Sadly, so many don't have a grasp of the science and are so entrenched in their political team they simply take their lying spokesperson's word for the truth and never look for themselves...they couldn't understand if they did, they aren't scientists. (Neither are your spokespeople)

Climate change is a great example. You won't find a scientist who's a climate change denier that doesn't or hasn't gotten funding from energy corporations or their cohorts, often washed through donation companies to hide the source because they know it discredits them. What you apparently fail to grasp is the right is the group politicizing and confusing these issues, usually for monetary gain....sometimes over ancient divisive doctrine....never to reveal the "truth" or facts about a complex situation, that's simply not important to the right anymore, not a whit....I wonder if they're even capable of comprehending something complex anymore, certainly doesn't seem like it.

bobknight33 said:

When science becomes political it becomes corrupted and hence discredited.

Global warmer/gender/ abortion are the best examples.

Honest Government Ad | Climate Change Policy

bobknight33 says...

And you party is nothing but a party of fear mongers. They created this hoax, snowflakes and SJW..


25 NASA Scientists Question the Sanity of the Global Warmists

Mystic95Z said:

I'm sorry you can't understand actual science, but why am I not surprised you being the Trumpanzee you are. The GOP has become the party of idiots.

Earth at 2° hotter will be horrific. Now here’s 4° +

Earth at 2° hotter will be horrific. Now here’s 4° +

newtboy says...

Oh Bob....you don't even know what the word "disproving" means, do you?

This twaddle only disproves the notion that you can discern actual information from snidely delivered propaganda.
He is right about one thing, he's not a scientist, he's a comedian who's jokes aren't funny, just like he says. He's not a journalist however, he's likely hoping he can be an internet opinion influencer.
America Uncovered....a spin off of the insane China Uncensored channel, dedicated to China bashing.

This new smattering of random right wing YouTube videos are not "proof" of anything but your bias and willingness to repeat nonsense you enjoy but don't understand.

Put your money where your mouth is, go buy some cheap ocean front property in Miami Dade or the Keys, and don't worry about the fact you can't get flood or hurricane insurance, those are leftie hoaxes and nothing to worry about. You're really going to show us! Odd that those properties are losing value with all those smart rich right wing investors fighting over them, isn't it?

bobknight33 said:

More disproving the man made climate warming hoax.

The EAT-Lancet Launch Lecture

newtboy says...

You didn't dispute their science, did you? Are you pretending this was reviewed by outside scientists who aren't card carrying vegan zealots...or even by non contributors to the paper they've presented? Do you know who funded it, since that does matter? Any meat producers among them?
You know they neglected to include a list of possible conflicts of interest the authors had, too. Could that be because the vast majority made/make their living selling veganism in one way or another?

I gave specific points of contention with specific details of eat lancet including it's scientific validity, with specific data you failed to address at all.

I'm just pointing out the deficiencies in your movement's new attempt at science...it may have some good points none the less.

I'm much less concerned with the messenger than the science. Veganism pushes out these new claims so often that it takes an army to keep up with debunking them, it's no surprise some soldiers are less than perfect, I don't know these two enough to care....but do you contradict their article's scientific points, ignoring the authors likely bias?

All that said, I don't disagree that red meat once a week is a decent limit, or that less sugar and processed grain would be even more beneficial to average people's health (not everyone)...and that's far from suggesting veganism...but those three suggestions seem to be the main takeaways from the synopsis I've read, but the devil is in the details, which seem to need serious work.

transmorpher said:

I mean sure, you can claim bias. But I just hope you are claiming it both ways, because guess who the Nutrition Coalition you linked is funded by?

United Nations: Diet of the Future

transmorpher says...

If you are going to try to suggest that the United Nations is some kind of hippie vegan promoting organisation, then you will definitely look like the crazy cultist you try to make me out to be.

Sorry champ, it's no longer 1 or 2 doctors promoting a plant-based diet for health, and environment - this video is from the United Nations, and every day, more and more doctors and scientists agree with this view point - you're running out of room to play the "he's a biased vegan" card.


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And all of your "concerns" are debunked in the comments of your links already, so I have nothing to add.

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I've also destroyed the credibility of your links in my other video comment section.

newtboy said:

It's important to know this is apparently not peer reviewed science (co-authors reviewing each other's claims is not real peer review), and is not verified by experimental data...not a single clinical trial, only epidemiology. This kind of science has been shown to be accurate, when tested in rigorous clinical trials, only 0-20% of the time.
Close examination finds it lacking in many areas.

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2019/01/the-eat-lancet-diet-is-nutritionally-deficient/

https://www.nutritioncoalition.us/news/eatlancet-report-one-sided

How Alan Alda Is Helping Scientists Translate Jargon

Science Lab pranks can be deadly

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scientist air cannon prank

USDA: Eggs are NOT Healthy or Safe to eat

transmorpher says...

Guess what causes the most habitat destruction? Growing crops to feed FARM ANIMALS. This is not a vegan thing, it's scientific consensus amongst environmental scientists.

I'll again refer you to Dr. Richard Oppenlander speaking to the EU parliament if you care to find out more instead of just getting triggered.

newtboy said:

Um....earth dollars are fine to fund your trip off earth....you'll have to get your own Vega spending money.
Extinctions today are 99% from habitat destruction, not the bush meat trade.

Eat some protein, your brain isn't working

We ❤️ The Periodic Table

BSR says...

What makes up atoms? Scientists? Imagination? Eve?

In chemistry, why does it seem as though explosions are the bait on the hook to reel in new fish?

Please keep your answer within the Fishing metaphor for easier comprehension and entertainment.

newtboy said:

Never trust an atom,
they make up everything.

7 Discoveries Scientists Made by Licking Things



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