I think John Edwards has a far greater case of being buried by the media.

Does anyone remember that Hillary came in third in Iowa, behind both Barack Obama and John Edwards? They barely mentioned Edwards' name on the news between Iowa and New Hampshire, and totally ignored him from there on out.

The press wanted a two-way battle between Obama and Hillary from the start.

You: Too kind
for what you see in me, is merely a reflected rockstarness.
the source of which, of course, is the collective of brilliant rockstar ideas that humanity was produced so far, many of which we share, and which are far more numerous than one might've imagined only a season ago, yes? gets better. because what i think you really object to, about the things on your 'bio' list? is that you see them as needlessly polarizing. shine on, you crazy diamond. - o

In reply to this comment by Doc_M:
You: Rockstar
In reply to this comment by my15minutes:
*promote

You: Rockstar
In reply to this comment by my15minutes:
*promote

I'd peg this as having been made between New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

Seems like ancient history now.

I'm a Michigander that thinks that the stripping of delegates was just. When I recently met Carl Levin, our Senator who was the main architect of the rule-breaking that Michigan did, he felt that the delegates SHOULDN'T be seated.

The entire point of the whole rule-breaking was to protest the unchanging primary calendar that gives Iowa and New Hampshire such overblown importance in deciding presidential nominees. After this primary season, Levin hoped that the Democratic National Committee would commit to a rotating calendar to give all states equal opportunity so embarrassing affairs like these wouldn't happen again.

The one thing that Levin didn't foresee was that the primary season would be so long this year, since he assumed that Iowa and New Hampshire would decide the nominee as usual. So now he looks like an idiot, but his original goal makes plenty of sense.

If Michigan's and Florida's delegates ARE seated, then it will show that the DNC is powerless and can't enforce any rules. Thus, if it tries to move back the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primaries, the states won't have to listen. The current calendar will remain and the two states will continue to enjoy their disproportionately important roles.

Oh come on. Nader makes a huge difference, ok sure. Let's look at some numbers, shall we?

2004 Election: Nader Popular vote is 463,655 (0.38%). Seriously, if you think a third of a percent made any difference in that war, than we can talk.

Now, 2000 was a different story, but maybe not as much as you might think. Nader had 2,883,105 votes (2.73%). If ALL of Nader's supporters had voted Democrat instead of Green, Gore would have won New Hampshire and Florida. New Hampshire is only worth 4 electoral votes. Florida? Who know what really happened there....Ron Paul probably won and the vote counters had heart attacks and died.

My point here is not that 2000 would have been the same w/o Nader. My point is his support tapered off DRASTICALLY by almost 2% of all Americans. I would expect to see the same decline in 2008.

source

Tags for this video have been changed from 'will I am, Barack Obama, New Hampshire, yes we can' to 'will I am, Barack Obama, New Hampshire, yes we can, john legend' - edited by rottenseed

Here's another instance of Hillary "plagiarizing", and this one from what most view as the most effective lines of her debate performance in Austin, Texas.

Bill Clinton, New Hampshire, 1992: "The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of New Hampshire are taking every day." *

Hillary Clinton, February 21, 2008: "You know, the hits I've taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country."

Another Xerox moment, perhaps? Certainly a double standard. I don't really think this is plagiarism of course. She's simply borrowing an effective theme from Bill here. This would be perfectly acceptable were it not for her ridiculous attacks against Obama for using powerful speech lines from his friend and supporter Deval Patrick.

*Note: It appears that Bill Clinton used variations of this line in speeches in 1992 and in 1996.

Update: Exhibit A: http://www.videosift.com/video/Hillary-Clinton-plagiarizes-Bill-Clinton

>> ^jonny:

Really? So, you'd be ok with local school boards deciding that their basic science curriculum should include the alternate theory of the sun revolving around the earth?

Yes. Teachers and communities should be able to choose what they want to focus on. My experience is that if you hand a teacher a curriculum he doesn't believe in, he'll just do a half-assed job and skip to what he thinks is important.

Also, the market has ways of regulating quality and correcting bad decisions. One is criticism from outsiders. If that fails, low standardized test scores, rejection letters from colleges and job applications will make parents get the message and demand better quality.

>> ^rembar:
If you want to follow a strict constitutional viewpoint, carry it to its logical conclusion: NO state and NO government under the United States Constitution whatsoever has the right to use its power to deny teaching scientifically-accurate material to students in public schools. Decisions about teaching scientific curricula, or any other public school curricula for that matter, should be left up to the only people qualified to make such decisions, and we happen to have already hired those folks. Those people are teaching our children in public schools every day. Decisions over teaching evolution are not for the federal OR local governments to make, it's for the teachers and school officials, the people who are required to be educated on the topics they teach, to decide.

You've just made the case for the libertarian platform of limited government. Libertarians defend that the government should be shrunk down to the bare essentials because politicians are completely incapable of making competent technical decisions.

When Ron Paul says that the federal government should stay away of education, he's not implying that "states rights" will fix the problem. If you watch the New Hampshire Town Hall Q&A session (which aired along with that Fox debate RP wasn't invited to), you'll see him making the point that parents and teachers should be responsible for each child's education. Just like the federal government should delegate functions to the states, the states are expected to further delegate and keep regulation to a minimum.

I'm an engineer who took an interest in education, so after I got my pure mathmatics degree I also became a licensed math teacher. I'm completely opposed to government interference in education. To me, Brazil (my country) represents a textbook example of education central planning gone wrong. 9th grade public school kids read and write at 5th grade levels, consistently finish last in international benchmarks and each government decision actually makes things worse by providing cosmetic solutions and more regulation.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

>> ^joedirt:
You mother... How the hell is this already submitted?!<

I lurk on Reddit a bit.

... I remember Huckabee saying on a Letterman appearance clip that if he won New Hampshire it would be because he appeared on Letterman, and that if he lost it would be because he was on Letterman. So we know who can take credit for that.

Colbert and Conan are practically brothers from a different mother; I'd think it quite hard to like one and not the other, hence a feud is a great idea.

End the Fed!

In reply to this comment by MarineGunrock:
What were they chanting?

ping

*save

ok. obviously i have a little explaining to do too. so, here's where this all starts, for me:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Gay-adoption-PSA

came across that on the unsifted queue, all sorted the way i like, and i start watching, and it's weird, but i seem to think it has a weird way of actually trying to say something important.

so then i look at the sifter, and it's shroom. and honestly, i'm pleasantly surprised.
'cuz i didn't see anything, attacking the message, from him. and it reminded me of another very recent, much cooler, and pretty fucking amazing sift, all things considered, by Doc_M:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Barack-after-his-close-New-Hampshire-loss-Yes-We-Can

which really blew me away, and i told him so. because, as a Lib, i really am very accustomed to being able to work almost as well with the (Social Liberal) Dems, as the (normally Fiscal Conservative) Reps.

i just honestly don't think shroom is here to get along, the way that i often see Doc and deedub making real efforts to get along with everyone, and make honest arguments, when they can't agree.

here's another guy on the mostly-right, who happens to be just about the sharpest i've seen on YouTube, from a mostly conservative stance:

http://www.videosift.com/member/justa11en

because he does a better job, of making sharp, honest arguments, and defending his point of view, than (and SO not intended as a slam on Doc or Deedub) anyone i've seen defend a Conservative point fo view, here at the sift.

which is exactly why i asked him to create a login here, for possible future use, after he uploaded this:

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-New-Day-Resolution

i do not see, in shroom, what i see in the other 3 i mention. i don't think he's here to get along. i think he's here to push buttons.
and i know many here that wholeheartedly agree, and we all let him, because we're 10 times more tolerant than he'll ever be, and he knows it, and it probably really pisses him off.

to my knowledge, we have more than just the "mores" here. we have some "folkways". and one of 'em says, you try hard not to downvote, while unsifted, without a comment/reason.
the second, and more important, says you don't target an individual, and downvote their queue with clearly nothing more than malice in mind.

would shroom like to explain to anyone here, what he found so distasteful, about 2 malaysian kids holding hands?
while he tosses up a hacked-up PSA, from the 80's, about domestic violence, that we're supposed to find fucking amusing now?
it's the only upvote i've ever given here, that i genuinely regret.

because unlike the other 2 clips, that i did really like, and gave an honest (if confused) upvote, that one i only upvoted, in a vain attempt to be able to say what i wanted to tell him, and not have him do, the very thing he did anyway.

that's not all i have to say about the whole damn thing, but i also don't want to waste anyone's time. i just thought this was the pertinent timeline, from my point of view, and i'd be happy to bookmark this, answer any questions, as soon and as accurately as i can, and let everyone else here decide what, if anything, should happen to either of us.

thank you, all, for taking the time to read this. srsly.

- owen / m15

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Hillary Clinton, cry' to 'Hillary Clinton, cry, new hampshire, primary, 2008' - edited by legacy0100