ROTFLMFAHS!!!
Biden has cut the deficit in half, by over $1.5 TRILLION PER YEAR since 2020. Trump raised it every year, more than tripling it in 2020! You clearly haven’t thought your position through.

So that’s a “yes”…you support the terroristic taking the economy hostage and murdering it if the right isn’t capitulated too like a kidnapper with his knife to your children’s throats. You think the right thing to do is give the terrorist kidnapper anything they want and let them walk away to do it again next week. Sinking ever lower, Gary.

America doesn’t negotiate with terrorists, that only emboldens them….if you were an American and not a terrorist you would know that.

You support terroristic legislating by blackmail because you know your party is incapable of Democratic legislating and has no love for America or its citizens. You support economy destroying threats because your party only knows how to destroy economies but you hope they can blame Biden if he signs off on any “deal”.


1) you were more than fine with spending like a drunken sailor on things that hurt America when Trump added 1/3 of the total debt in one term, crashed the economy, blew up the debt and deficit, killed 1 million Americans and disabled 2 million, and created 15% unemployment…you actually want to go back. Biden has spent exponentially less, and boosted revenue massively, both help the debt.
2) you moron, paying the bills you already racked up isn’t spending more. Not paying them is WASTING TRILLIONS for absolutely nothing…clearly what the right prefers. You want to max out the credit card on nonsense for 4 years then tell Democrats they can’t spend a dime except on Republican corporate welfare programs or you’ll just not pay the bill and get the card cancelled, knowing it will make the entire family homeless, handing the family farm over to China who holds our debt and can forclose. 🤦‍♂️

Estimates are near 8 million jobs lost and over $10 TRILLION in private stock losses expected in just the short term, far worse if it’s a long term problem…TRILLIONS in government losses and TRILLIONS MORE EVERY YEAR in higher interest rates…a complete government shutdown as government employees go unpaid so stop working (but continue to rack up salaries that will be paid eventually, for not working)…and a global depression worse than the Republican caused deregulation recession of ‘08.

I dare you to claim evaporating $10 trillion somehow SAVES money….I double dog dare you.

You are prepared to get poorer for nothing at all while STILL having the debt grow thanks to Trump’s outrageous spending spree, but are insistent that Republican spending not lose a dime.
Every Republican program should be cancelled first, all those contracts/bills to build the wall defaulted, all those military programs making equipment we no longer use cancelled, million dollar fake “investigations” that have only exposed the criminal hypocrisy of the right and not corroborated a single accusation cancelled, the tax breaks for billionaires and corporations that did NOT create a boom they caused a crash cancelled, any and all federal payments to red states cancelled because it only makes them reliant on the federal government which is like slavery…then not only would no loss of the societal safety net (guaranteeing a wave of homelessness never seen), 1 million vets would not be made homeless, etc AND the debt would actually be lowered.

You love the idea of getting poorer for spite and nothing more, dumbshit. If you just stop paying your credit card, the debt isn’t forgiven, it raises exponentially with higher interest and fees and lowers your ability to borrow more, that’s what’s already happened and will be so much worse in the depression by choice the right wants to cause. The money will still be spent, it will just cost exponentially more to borrow it.

Republicans have left the Capitol for their 5 day weekend to return Tuesday to restart “negotiations” they are pretending to be involved in, meaning default is now guaranteed without some legal wrangling by Biden to end run them. He should have done so in February.

The damage this is going to cause the economy is ten fold what it claims to be trying to save. It is clearly not about saving money, it’s 100% about blocking any democratic legislation by usurping the president is control of the purse strings. You would never accept this from the left. You know it too.

I know anyone not a brain dead cultist slug knows this, this fight isn’t over the debt, it’s about control…control from the minority by terrorism. We need a second amendment solution…only 20 representatives need to miss the vote for sanity to return.

But that can be said about many who don't get a second (third?) chance. It must be something more.
I think the self depreciating cartoon helped, but how did he wrangle it I wonder.

Yeah, I'll just quote this...

"Truman did not cower at the mention of the word “socialism,” which in those days was distinguished in the minds of most Americans from Soviet Stalinism, with which the president—a mean cold warrior—was wrangling.

Nor did Truman, who counted among his essential allies trade unionists like David Dubinsky, Jacob Potofsky and Walter Reuther, all of whom had been connected with socialist causes and in many cases the Socialist Party of Eugene V. Debs and Norman Thomas, rave about the evils of social democracy.

Rather, he joked that “Out of the great progress of this country, out of our great advances in achieving a better life for all, out of our rise to world leadership, the Republican leaders have learned nothing. Confronted by the great record of this country, and the tremendous promise of its future, all they do is croak, ‘socialism.’”"

You are like a small child afraid of the monster in the closet when, in reality, there is nothing there. Do public servants like police/fire brigade etc draw pensions on retirement? That's socialism. Capitalism says that they are at the end of their useful life, and if they haven't saved for their retirement, fuck em.

And let's not even get started on christianity (love they brother and money is the root of all evil), damn Jesus and his socialist bullshit... X D

Oh wow, I hadn't heard about this. Of course this would have to be on HBO to show even half the shit that went on in the comics.
In spite of that I will be keeping an eye on this one, now we just need to wrangle Simon Pegg into a TV or movie version of The Boys, before he gets too damn old to play the role of his comic book counterpart.

Yes, because online videos of policing practices are representative of the whole. Excellent comparison, your degree in statistics serves you well. If the civilian standing in his doorway at 0:15 becomes the target for some reason, and this lunatic goes after him with his knife, then is it ok to shoot him? If this lunatic was in the middle of a mall or on a busy street and pulled this shit, I would hope that they would shoot him instead of trying to wrangle him to the ground with shields and batons... to serve and protect and all that. If he sliced up a civilian during this kinder gentler policing, the populace would be screaming for heads and at the police for more assertive action. Give them a taser, give them some non lethal rounds, give them a fine Calvary Sabre but control the situation immediately and remove the threat. The fact is the cops weren't in control at all.

When he's not fighting other kombatants in Outworld, Liu Kang spends his time in the Outback wrangling emus.

The way you described the breed you'd almost need someone who cared more about doggy all day than humans-Incredible. That's a lotta little doggy to wrangle-Most people would get one and fuck it all up-

I guess I need to quote @chingalera:
Monsanto is the reason heath care is unaffordable-
Monsanto is the reason gasoline no longer lubricates rubber and composites in combustion engines

As for Percy Schmeiser, I agree he should have won in his case, and it was a bad legal wrangling. I also, however vehemently disagree with your characterization of him as one of the many small farmers just like everyone I know.

Schmeiser admits that he deliberately sprayed his own seed crop with round up, harvested the surviving plants, and used them for seed the following year. You can't make a much more concerted and deliberate effort than that to get seed that is from Monsanto's GMO plants. Schmeiser's complaint was not that his seed that he'd used for decades was contaminated, his complaint was when Monsanto found out and came to sue him for planting their seed without paying the patent tax. I agree he was legally correct and should not have had to pay anything to Monsanto. But I don't see how Schmeiser is anything like farmers intentionally buying and planting Monsanto GMO crops, or anything like farmers choosing to continue to grow and replant their own seed. Nobody growing and raising their own heritage seed has made it part of their rotation to deliberately kill off their seed crop before they could harvest it. Even if they did, there would plainly never be any seed there to plant. Monsanto's 'attacks' on small family farms have not come against those that buy from Monsanto, nor have they come against those that choose to user any other seed from any other source including their own. Monsanto's suits have been limited to those farmers that ARE planting and growing Monsanto's seeds without buying it from them.

The situation between Monsanto and farmers is nothing like the ridiculous half truth extremes shown in this video or the one you linked. I didn't just base this opinion on some video a watched, but instead on multiple first hand accounts, and extensive searches through scientific journals on Google Scholar. If you want to dismiss that as anecdotal while pointing at some agenda laden video as 'real' evidence then you may have hit upon the problem here...

>> ^artician:

>> ^Deano:
http://news.google.co
m/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19740927&id=EYY0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=7qEFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2860,3762583
According to this article he suffered injuries during the scene which took 3 months to film.

HE suffered injuries? What about the crocs? That was kind of shitty that they used real animals, I really thought it was faked.


Apparently he wrangled the creatures and was very good at that.

There's no way you'd be allowed to do this today and rightfully so. The seventies were a different time, as we're recalling a lot in the UK right now...

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I never really apologized for my paranoia back when you joined the site. I'm sorry, Pumkin and Playhouse. You are both good people.


While sock-puppeting here from necessity during a rile with a few users that lasted until i shot myself in the head before putting up with their utter, mob-wrangling BULLSHIT!!....I watched as you, reeling from blanfist's meltdown that yer butt-buddy was on the depart (burnout), accused these obsessive cat-ladies of some vile conspiracy...LOWERING yourself to false accreditation and accusation not unlike (naming names of the departed next) blankfist, chronospos-*can't type it all because of the utterly self-aggrandizing and retarded handle chosen) and a few other taunting cohorts fanning the flames of their chaos.....And I thought to myself, "God, what a bunch of fucking retarded douchebags?!"...Not you dytopfutyyydy NO!, you always the devil's advocate and that with a modicum of civility and fucking snap....unlike the children you poked as they sat in their sweat-soaked chairs the sputum and smoke coating their monitors as the masturbated to the delight of their developmentally-disabled cronies here on Videosift. I encouraged them as wel;l, not saying I wasn't as guilty....I simply don;t have the need to be well-liked by everyone....I'm so glad to know that you still don;t either!

Way to make nice with the ladies there, Don Fucking Juan!!!

Kudos and dinner with dancing for you two newbie-fixtures, kindest folk here for quite some time...This place needed more cat videos, bet yer both happy that now yer jobs close to complete, RIGHT!!???

You people ever ban ol' choggie-chinga again and there's gonna be some fucking hell to pay, lemme tellls ya!!

you should change the title shiny.
it not quite accurate.
the speaker does bring up some great philosophical points.
i agree with him that the greatest question is "what is my purpose or meaning in this life"? and that many become blinded by silly trinkets and the loud circus we are subjected to each and every day.
and i absolutely adored his usage of c.s lewis concerning love,music and art.

this is one of your better posts shiny.the speaker is witty and funny and brings up many philosophical points that we all have to wrangle with.

i have to admit to a few "no..no..NO" that i threw at monitor but all in all this was quite good at illuminating the human question of "why am i here"?

*promote

The entire problem is the advertised opening hours. It will always take 30mins to wrangle everyone out of the store after closing, so advertise the time when people can no longer enter.

OK, let me start by saying I was never incensed, irked, consternated, angered, or otherwise bothered. I always think it's funny to hear the assumptions people make about me, they are invariably wrong, I'm a wierdo and rarely take the path expected. I take joy in setting the record straight in the hopes of presenting a different point of view for consideration, I see no reason for revenge or anger over a misunderstanding and usually not schadenfreude either.
I didn't see it as consession to my arguement, I saw it as coming to agreement that we really meant the same thing. I guess to some people that might be the same thing, it's not to me.
The only apology needed is to Umption, you made an ass out of him. I'm not looking for one myself, I don't know why I might be due one except for the blankfist thing. You misunderstood me again.
It depends on which current financial crisis you mean. I completely agree, our economic crisis was caused by mismanagement and deregulation of the banking system/wallstreet, which is now made worse by the European crisis. Our debt crisis is a decades old issue that's suddenly in the forefront, but is also a huge and looming problem. The European debt situation is different, and seems to be a major cause of their current economic crisis, so is the whole credit default swap thing to a lesser extent, but they're far more removed from it.
The debt discussion stems from the discussion of the european crash, which I believe was caused mostly by the crushing debt of many union members, caused in large part by over spending on social programs like paid maternity (along with many others), and the worsening of that debt to the point their partners could no longer ignore it caused by the global market declines. It came to a head when Greece couldn't borrow more money to pay for the services they refused to curtail. I disagree with the contention that Spain and Ireland were in "good" shape simply because they were not collapsing yet. Greece has been spending like a teenager with daddy's credit card for far too long (probably decades), so long that it's people (and corperations most likely, don't misunderstnad) believe they are entitled to all their handouts because many have never known different, and they flatly refused to raise taxes to pay for those services and entitlements, forget paying their debts. Let's be clear, they are not us, they were even worse about entitlement programs and ignoring debt. That does not mean we should not use them as a cautionary tale of what to avoid, we don't want to be where they are now, and it's where we are heading.
Here in the USA, I think our debt stems from overspending (on defense and entitlement programs, stupid wastes, and needed services) AND under taxing. I'm not sure about your health care point, we haven't really paid for it yet, so it hasn't really effected the debt. Maybe I'm missing your point.
I disagree with your final point, that our debt is a made up problem. I also disagree with the contention that we must erase the debt completely and instantly, damn the consequences. Sadly, the big 'debt debate' that once again tarnished our reputation worldwide (and continues to) is really not about paying down our debt. As far as I know, no one seriously even floated a ballanced budget ammendment, forget actually paying down the debt. All the wrangling is over a small percentage of the insane increase they expect in the national debt over 10 years (I think I recall the number 24trillion). I fear the debt will crush us, and stagnate our economy if not dealt with quickly, but it must be done with reason and thoughfulness, not ignored OR myopicly focused on.>> ^NetRunner:
@newtboy the part that reminds me of blankfist is that you seem to be incensed at my terrible crime of misunderstanding an ambiguous statement, and then thinking I owe you something (a retraction, an apology, or a concession to your argument) because of that.
Let's wind this train of thought back a bit. My contention is that the present economic calamity started with a financial crisis, driven by mortgage-backed securities.
I didn't mention debt, you did.
I agree that debt plays a role in the unfolding of this crisis, especially in Europe, but it's not a cause of the crisis. Any kind of economic crisis throws a government's budget into deficit (or pushes it further into), because tax revenue goes down when GDP and employment go down, while at the same time, more people wind up needing to rely on the social safety net as they loose their jobs (or just get their hours or pay cut). Greece and Italy were in bad shape before the crisis, and got much worse. But Spain and Ireland were in good fiscal shape before the crisis, and wound up deep in debt as a consequence of the crisis.
I also disagree with your contention that the debts are caused by "people taking maternity leave along with other social programs to a ridiculous extent." I'm not intimately familiar with the specific fiscal details of the European countries, but basically the way government budgets work is that you need to make sure you have tax revenues that are higher than spending in normal times.
Here in the US, our debt issues are primarily a result of cutting taxes, overspending on defense, and a refusal to adopt a single-payer health care system for everyone.
But for the most part, debt is a made-up problem in the US. It's not that it's not a problem at all, it's just that it's not something we need to solve in 2011, it's something we need to solve by 2030 or so. It's important, but not urgent.

Sorry for the repeat -- I decided my brilliant logic (ha!) needed to be part of the comment stream.

It's a puzzle to figure out what should be shared and when a conversation devolves into personal wrangling. I try to keep the personal wrangling out of the comment stream.

All I wanted was a choice: logic or belief/faith. Do I feel the need to upend my fellow man (gay person), because I'm supposed to. I'm also not supposed to do anything to them. Yet believers use both sides as they wish when they need it or think it's needed, right?

I ask for little, proof. Proof of work and entropy. Like a plane flying in the sky. Practical, applicable, proof...

@bareboards2 is trying to calm things down, which is fine. I'm still trying to figure out why you keep ascribing to this notion that the Mormons are somehow "obviously" wrong, were as all the others are just fine. You speak of the "body of Christ", as though THAT is enough to have a religion. But, the guy sticks around for a few chapters and then is gone for the rest of time. Even Leonardo da Vinci has a longer history. If not for the Dark Ages we may have quite a few other people with history, but the books were burned by somebody.

I ask for nothing less than concrete evidence, because my fellow mans life may depend on it. I will listen to no others no matter there position unless they can agree to the same thing. This goes for all comments I read.

P.S.- I don't have a vendetta for the Mormon church (except maybe Glenn Beck) as it made me who I am. I assure you that the fog is just as thick on your side of the river; it's great to get a perspective that is free and only contains your observations.

Second, @bareboards2. Why would you think I'm arguing them out of their faith, only they can do that. Two, why do you allow him/her to wrangle others into religion. Same coin?

Lastly, I have a great conception of a "Christian" God, but I did decide not to impart my full knowledge less my posts become a thesis for a doctorate of the histories. The last thing I ask is that you shift your world view and ascribe to something that is not Christian (outright, just for a few months); make yourself uncomfortable. It's the best way to learn.

P.S.S.- That's it, I swear! There are only three people reading this anyway.