Back to the video at hand, I find it a bit hypocritical that the U.S. is criticizing the hunt. Yeah, dolphins are cute. The idea of someone killing one is probably uncomfortable to pretty much any culture that hasn't spent centuries eating them. But I think there's a bit of ethnocentricsm going on here.

How many cattle, chicken, and turkeys get slaughtered every day in the U.S. in the most horrible ways--nevermind the horrific conditions most have to endure from birth until death? Where's the international outcry over that?

The primary complaint of this video seems to be that the dolphins die slowly, but the video fails to mention that's only if the procedure is done wrong. It's done that way precisely because Japanese laws require the butchering to be done quickly and when done correctly they die within seconds. I imagine the whales killed by Inuit's in their traditional hunts don't die much quicker (see http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20131008/save-whales-inuit-whalers-wary-whaling-commission-quotas for more details).

Basically, while I find the method they use to kill disturbingly inhumane, I also don't see the need for the international community to intervene in the hunt unless it can be shown that the hunt is adversely affecting the population. The primary reason hunting dolphins is stupid is because the meat contains alarmingly high concentrations of mercury which pose a major health risk to humans that habitually eat the meat.

I think it's time to show how israeli terror troops stepping on a Palestinian child's dreams... just as it happens in reality.



I suggest to the israelis to paint "Research" on the side of their tanks and warplanes so when we see them killing Palestinians, we can relax and say all is well. It worked for the Japanese whalers...

Thats too bad that they don't agree. The Cree in northern Manitoba confirm that they call us Eskimo based on "eaters of raw-meat", but hey, what do they know?

Qallunaq (also pronounced kabloonak) comes from kabluk (eyebrows), and naak (stomach). The story goes that Scottish whalers who came over in the 1700's had big bushy eyebrows and big stomachs - and the name stuck.

You can call me a snow-chink if you want. I won't feed that troll.>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^Throbbin:
it's actually a Cree word that the French adopted
Very few linguists, apparently, agree with that etymology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo#Origin_of_the_name_Eskimo
What's 'Qallunaq' translate to?
How about we call you guys 'snow-chinks'?

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>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^rougy:
I have to disagree about the "both sides" thing, hombre.
The Japanese fishing industry is raping the ocean and needs to be stopped.
Whaling is probably the most critical aspect of their crimes, but not the only one.

No doubt, but I am not picking sides on their actions only the way they deal with it.
More often than not most of the conflicts I have solved on my own have been peaceable, but those conflicts didn't deal with monetary incentive.
When there is money to be gained and someone wants to stop it for the right reasons then people will get hurt. Right is also subjective and relative. Your version of right, and mine may be two completely different things. The latter sentence is just a figure of speech, I do think the Japanese are wrong, but I also think the Sea Sheppard crew are playing with fire.
I have some other opinions about monetary incentive, bodily harm, and the idea of swift pacification. But I fear repercussion for leaving a record of them here.
Lets just say, it's all fun and games until someone gets killed or maimed.


I see what you're saying, and even though one could argue that the point is relative, there is a real difference between right and wrong, and that supercedes whatever "money" has to say about it.

The over-fishing of our oceans has a real impact on all of us, not just the industries, and just because our governments are either too corrupt or too craven to do something about it--like, say, to write and enforce laws--that doesn't mean that somebody out there shouldn't at least try to do the right thing.

>> ^rougy:
I have to disagree about the "both sides" thing, hombre.
The Japanese fishing industry is raping the ocean and needs to be stopped.
Whaling is probably the most critical aspect of their crimes, but not the only one.


No doubt, but I am not picking sides on their actions only the way they deal with it.

More often than not most of the conflicts I have solved on my own have been peaceable, but those conflicts didn't deal with monetary incentive.

When there is money to be gained and someone wants to stop it for the right reasons then people will get hurt. Right is also subjective and relative. Your version of right, and mine may be two completely different things. The latter sentence is just a figure of speech, I do think the Japanese are wrong, but I also think the Sea Sheppard crew are playing with fire.

I have some other opinions about monetary incentive, bodily harm, and the idea of swift pacification. But I fear repercussion for leaving a record of them here.

Lets just say, it's all fun and games until someone gets killed or maimed.

I dunno. The whaler definitely turns to get closer to the bat-boat, but I'm not sure they're intentionally ramming them; they could be trying to get them good with the water cannons and drift a bit too far, like the bat-boat drifts a little forward too in front of the whaler.

If the whalers are outside their own jurisdiction, the rest of us should step in, and if they go into a sovereign nation's waters then the matter is for that sovereign nation and its allies. Vigilantes should not be tolerated.

>> ^KnivesOut:

They're whaling in waters where they're not supposed to be. It's not up to the Japanese government because they're outside their legal jurisdiction. They're poaching animals in international waters, or in US waters.
Does that change your ridiculous logical fallacy at all?


The thing is, what the Japanese are doing isn't considered by any government to be "whaling". They may very well be exploiting a flaw in the system that allows them to kill in the name of "research" but they're are well within their rights and the rules of the system to be doing so. The way to stop them is to correct the flaw in the system. But the Sea Shepard Society doesn't want to do that, they want to play pirate, they want to be a spectacle, because it gets them more publicity and more money. "Captain" Watson is a lunatic and an egomaniac. All he cares about is getting his name in the news, no matter who's lives he might be risking. Personally, I couldn't care less about the idiots that join his crews, frozen and drowned trust-fund idiots are at least sparing the gene pool their pompous idiot offspring, but they endanger the crews of the "research" vessels who are just people trying to make a living.

http://videosift.com/video/Alternate-View-of-the-Japanese-Whaler-Sea-Shepard-Collision

There is another view.

Also, as I have always said if you want to eat it you should personally have to go out and hunt it.

I mean to be fair and all. Get out there and put your neck on the line! Take part in Natural Selection! When I say hunt, do mean kill the prey with your bear hands.

>> ^Farhad2000:
Definately watch the Cove to understand the issue.
Japan basically side steps international whaling restrictions by saying they are doing research, which is bullshit.
Anti-whalers try to document these actions and press for changes, the Japanese don't like it so they do intimidating shit like this.
The protestors never do anything illegal because that would mean the Japanese won and they can legally get rid of them.


Ah-ha! Caught myself. You are talking about The Cove movie or documentary, and not the Sea Shepard.
Throwing stink bombs onto their deck, and trying to run a large rope through their propellers is, and has been considered an attack. So the "protesters" are legally culpable just as much as the Japanese.

Definately watch the Cove to understand the issue.

Japan basically side steps international whaling restrictions by saying they are doing research, which is bullshit.

Anti-whalers try to document these actions and press for changes, the Japanese don't like it so they do intimidating shit like this.

The protestors never do anything illegal because that would mean the Japanese won and they can legally get rid of them.

How are we supposed to know which whale parts from which species of whale are most delicious without this valuable research?

>> ^entr0py:
"Need more delicious whales; scientific research." -Japan

Ya, No doubt. I'm sure they wanted the hit and they wanted it to be the whalers fault. I'm not sure if they put themselves in front or if they were slightly to the side and the whaler veered to to make the hit. I'm just telling you what "Captain Watson" said...

>> ^MilkmanDan:
If that video depicted the Ady Gil being "suddenly rammed", I'll have to reevaluate my definitions of both of those words. Sort of like when people stop a car on a highway just after a high-speed semi-blind turn and wait to get hit so they can sue the driver, because rear-ending another car is almost always automatically determined to be the fault of the rear-ender.>> ^Sagemind:
...
Captain Watson said the Ady Gil was idling in Antarctic waters when it was suddenly rammed by the Japanese ship Shonan Maru, which was providing security to Japan's whaling fleet.
...

Good.

Folks love to see things mishaps.

In reply to this comment by demon_ix:
Found video of that ship collision, after all

http://www.videosift.com/video/Sea-Shepherd-Ship-Collides-With-Japanese-Whaler-Damaged