AHAHAHA OWNED !!!

lol now i don't agree with whaling particularly but I allso dont think spending a tun of mony on a stupid littel boat to try and intimadate whaling ships will do anny good.

Fact is the whalers are doing this for a living and its been in there culture for a long time , now that dosnot make killing whales right but at the same time over in England and USA we have done and still do shit to the environment that arguably has a far grater affect on animals than whaling dose.

They should try and fix USA and England before going of to other cultres to try and inforce there hippy ways with a shitty over priced dingy. I allso think other solutoins and methods of redusing wailing would be far more constructive and more likely to have long term afffect than poking people with a boat.

They forgot the school house rules; It doesn't matter how loud your siren is but who's boat is made from carbon fiber and who's from metal!

Tags for this video have been changed from 'whale wars escalate, japanese, whaling, southern ocean' to 'sea shepherd, ady gil, ship, trimaran, japanese, whaler, whale wars, collision' - edited by Sagemind

The $1.5m, 79 foot long 'stealth' boat Ady Gil sank after the collision in Southern Ocean but its six man crew was rescued uninjured, said Captain Paul Watson, founder of the radical environmental group Sea Shepherd.

Captain Watson said the Ady Gil was idling in Antarctic waters when it was suddenly rammed by the Japanese ship Shonan Maru, which was providing security to Japan's whaling fleet.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/video-stealth-boats-bow-sliced-off-in-whaling-clash-2001210.html

-taken from Demon_ix's accidental dupe of this video - I didn't want this info to be lost.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
They forgot the school house rules; It doesn't matter how loud your siren is but who's boat is made from carbon fiber and who's from metal!


I think the sound cannons were coming from the whales, as well as the water cannons.

The Japanese ship Shonan Maru, was providing security to Japan's whaling fleet. They go to great lengths to create distractions using aggressive diversions to keep the activists from the "Sea Shepherd & affiliated Ships" busy - Then they send out five or six whalers to suck up every whale within miles - It's like "Clear-cutting" the ocean for it's resources. I'm not an activist but the Japanese have eliminated all of the whales and large fish in their own waters and now spend their time encroaching and often poaching in foreign waters.

1.5m dollars on a boat...the true spirit of the modern conservationist movement.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
1.5m dollars on a boat...the true spirit of the modern conservationist movement.


lol yah if they had any brains they would have gotten say 20 cheep boats that way they could scare whales of from all the whalers.

"Need more delicious whales; scientific research." -Japan

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The Sea Shepherd ship looks like something built for Batman. It's too bad they do good work. Apparently they were picked up by a new five million dollar ship payed for and named after Bob Barker. *promote

Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Wednesday, January 6th, 2010 4:55pm PST - promote requested by geo321.

Don't forget to spay and neuter your pets!

>> ^geo321:
The Sea Shepherd ship looks like something built for Batman. It's too bad they do good work. Apparently they were picked up by a new five million dollar ship payed for and named after Bob Barker. promote

The Japanese are catching Minke whales in Antarctica. This whale is nowhere near endangered by anyone's estimation.

So what we have is a bunch of people objecting because they either mistakenly believe these whales are endangered or because they have an emotional response to the idea of whales. But why are whales so special compared to, say, cows? Because we fantasize that they have immense intelligence? Because we paint majestic pictures of them?

I'm not claiming all objections to whaling are invalid. I'm just suggesting that maybe the knee jerk reaction against whaling is mostly unfounded.

If you're totally against whaling then I dare you to go interfere with the whaling that's going on in the U.S. I doubt that will happen though, since that whaling is being carried out by native Americans. You can hardly be an earth-mother supported and object to native American customs.

Oh fuck right off. Those damn hippies deliberately put themselves in the path of the whaler, they got what they deserved. Lucky none of them died.

Does whale taste like cow, or it is more like chicken? Or is it as tasty as dog?

I wonder if they hit the boat because it was doing such a good job?

Also, whaling is fucked up.

And Green peace has been hijacked by extremist, idealistic idiots who sideline their very noble causes with kind of silly ones. I wish green peace was more accountable to the general public/scientific community.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Does whale taste like cow, or it is more like chicken? Or is it as tasty as dog?


Did you not see the South Park episode? It explains EVERYTHING:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/254177

and

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/254178

(I would submit them, but can't figure out how to embed them. They're super-NSFW, and has one of the best South Park endings I've seen in a long time)

>> ^Mcboinkens:
How is whaling still legal? This is sickening.
Commercial whaling IS illegal.
Japanese don't call it whaling!
All of their ships have huge RESEARCH letters painted on them. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Nisshin_Maru.jpg
The Japanese fleet consists of a factory ship, two spotter vessels, and three harpoon boats. The whalers say that lethal research is needed to accurately measure the whale population, health, and response to global warming and is essential for the sustainable management of the world's cetacean stocks. Australia and New Zealand have started a non-lethal whale research program to show that the Japanese lethal research program is no longer necessary. Sea Shepherd and other environmental groups dispute the Japanese statement of research "as a disguise for commercial whaling, which is banned." Meat from the hunt is available at Tokyo's famed Tsukiji fish market and Japanese restaurants.

>> ^Mcboinkens:
How is whaling still legal? This is sickening.


Because the Japanese want to whale. Laws are local. Are you suggesting japan sovereignty should be trumped by foreign moral outrage?

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Does whale taste like cow, or it is more like chicken? Or is it as tasty as dog?


While I was visiting Iceland, I had the opportunity to taste whale meat. It was cooked medium-rare and had the texture of beef. The flavor was somewhat like beef or buffalo, but with a slight fish-oil hint to it.

It's not a bad meal, but I prefer beef.

"Thanks to a $1 million donation from its namesake, US multi-millionaire Ady Gil, formerly known as Earthrace, the Ady Gil has become the latest addition to the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society's protest fleet". I quote Linda Carel: "(do you) you support the Japanese fisherman illegally shooting pregnant mother whales with spear guns that explode inside of them…in an area named a sanctuary by the IWC, which Japan refuses to abide by? Why would they? It serves them to refuse to recognize this sanctuary… the fish are so plentiful - they come to what they think is their safe haven to give birth to their calves." Whaling is wrong - especially in protected waters - so these people should be applauded for braving the harsh conditions and putting up a fight. >> ^westy:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
1.5m dollars on a boat...the true spirit of the modern conservationist movement.

lol yah if they had any brains they would have gotten say 20 cheep boats that way they could scare whales of from all the whalers.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I haven't had meat, but I've had blubber. It tasted like an inner tube soaked in tuna fish oil.

>> ^maestro156:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Does whale taste like cow, or it is more like chicken? Or is it as tasty as dog?

While I was visiting Iceland, I had the opportunity to taste whale meat. It was cooked medium-rare and had the texture of beef. The flavor was somewhat like beef or buffalo, but with a slight fish-oil hint to it.
It's not a bad meal, but I prefer beef.

>> ^Sagemind:
Captain Watson said the Ady Gil was idling in Antarctic waters when it was suddenly rammed by the Japanese ship Shonan Maru, which was providing security to Japan's whaling fleet.


Seriously, could a ship that size sneak up on you and "suddenly ram" anybody with half a brain? And if getting hit by the firehose (prior to being "suddenly rammed") wasn't incentive enough to get out of the way, fuck 'em, i say.

Reminds me of a mediocre book I've read roughly 15 years ago, "San Andreas" by Alistair MacLean. It's based during World War 2 and in it, the hero manages to ram a German U-boat with a damaged Navy hospital ship. The German captain simply was too eager and too much of an idiot.

Same here: if you're in a 45kts speedboat and get your bow rammed off by a bloody whaler, you're an overly eager idiot.

But maybe it'll escalate to the next level and they'll finally arm their Batmarine with mini-torpedoes.

Whilst I thought I understand the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, I'm not sure how it applies to whale populations, but clearly the Japanese are trying to prove that it does apply. In order to know the size and rate of increase of the whale population you must kill off the pregnant females. Or something. Presumably somewhere its possible to find out the scientific theory they're trying to prove by their research whaling, possibly some preliminary results too?

Westy do you spell that bad to get attention? You can't be for real!

I would have to taste some whale or dolphin before I enter the debate. I base all my conservationism relative to tastiness.

For example:
Cows are okay to kill because they are delicious.
Dogs taste like ass... so you should never kill them for food. Only if you step in their poop. Then they are fair game.

Fukka u Waaru! And Fukka u Dorufin!

Hey jackass, did you watch The Cove yet? Do it before you make yourself look any dumber than you already have.

>> ^westy:
[...] Fact is the whalers are doing this for a living and its been in there culture for a long time

Than if the laws are local, they should only whale locally! They are way out of their waters when they kill them for research, of course. Let me ask you a question: What do you think happens when you wipe out the top of the food chain? Good things or bad things happen.

>> ^Hawkinson:
>> ^Mcboinkens:
How is whaling still legal? This is sickening.

Because the Japanese want to whale. Laws are local. Are you suggesting japan sovereignty should be trumped by foreign moral outrage?

Kinda reminds me of the old "Nelson Mandala freedom fighter or terrorist" chestnut.

Except replacing substituting white men for Japanese(works) and black Africans for whales(fail)...

The Japanese are skirting international law to harvest animals, which is bad. The Sea Shepherd, through antics like this and others, is actively endangering human lives. The endanger not only their own lives and anyone sent to rescue them, but those of the other ships around them that they choose to attack. That is much, much worse and the only way to cut it any different is to value human and other animal life equally. This shows in who does and does not support these loons.

Fuck-a You Wale! An Fuck-a You Dolphin!


(South Park reference for the uninitiated.)

Am I the only one who sees the protest boat moving forward at the last moment? Looks to me that the Japanese boat would have just missed if the protesters didn't move.

>> ^aspartam:
Hey jackass, did you watch The Cove yet? Do it before you make yourself look any dumber than you already have.
>> ^westy:
[...] Fact is the whalers are doing this for a living and its been in there culture for a long time



Instead of calling sum one a dumass why don't you just provide something that disproves what sum one says, surly you reolise when you call most people a jackass that they are going to pay less attention to what you put and be less inclined to believe what you say.
and no haven't seen that film yet , but i have been meaning to watch it.


If you link me to something that proves that the whalers r not doing it for a living then ill change what i think . I know that the the majority of whale meet is used for BS medicen and stuipd shit , im not infavor of hunting whales but at the same time you have to appreciate that our culture dose equally retarded shit and that sending boats out to annoy people is probably not the most constructive method of stopping whaling from happening.

for example in the uk people have protested fox hunting for fookin decades. I Evan had sum one in my family that used to do stuff to try and make the dogs lose the trail . although it can be satisfying to have an effect in that one instance, on the global scheem of things its pointless , only when the government policy in the uk changed and it became illegal to do real fox hunting has it really stopped. granted for the 10 or so years it took to ban it shit loads of foxes died in shitty ways , but at least now almost non will die.

Having to explain myself like this is annoying. The "still legal" part bothered me because it suggests the existence of globally enforceable law (sure there are treaties, but countries walk away from treaties all the time, or ignore judgments against them). I was looking for clarification from the original poster regarding respecting national sovereignty verses acting for the "greater good".

The recent murder of an El Monte (California) school administrator in Mexico has stirred some local "we [the US] gotta do something" sentiments. I want to ask the people quoted in the local paper what (or if) they think about sovereignty and jurisdiction.

>> ^aspartam:
Than if the laws are local, they should only whale locally! They are way out of their waters when they kill them for research, of course. Let me ask you a question: What do you think happens when you wipe out the top of the food chain? Good things or bad things happen.
>> ^Hawkinson:
>> ^Mcboinkens:
How is whaling still legal? This is sickening.

Because the Japanese want to whale. Laws are local. Are you suggesting japan sovereignty should be trumped by foreign moral outrage?

So in your world non-human animals are only eligible for life and dignity if they're endangered? Do you consider killing animals an act of harvesting a resource, and if the resource isn't running out it's all good?
>> ^TheFreak:
The Japanese are catching Minke whales in Antarctica. This whale is nowhere near endangered by anyone's estimation.

Woah, that's not how it happened according to that one episode of South Park.

>> ^schomg:
So in your world non-human animals are only eligible for life and dignity if they're endangered? Do you consider killing animals an act of harvesting a resource, and if the resource isn't running out it's all good?
>> ^TheFreak:
The Japanese are catching Minke whales in Antarctica. This whale is nowhere near endangered by anyone's estimation.



No, if they are delicious and not endangered it's all good.

The corollary is that if they are cute then they should also be spared. The only moral dilemma is when an animal is both delicious and cute, then you have to weigh the two against each other. For example, baby chicks can be cute, but, they grow up.

And endangering human life like the Sea Shepherd crew does is an automatic nomination for a ticket out of the gene pool IMHO.

I don't give a f^ck what your political bent is. You can't ram a ship in the middle of the ocean. They will be able to buy twenty of those little boats after the lawyers get done with them. WTF

Idling?? I see it moving against another ship, and a big one. Not that I know much about ships, but if I was the one on the small high-tech touch-me-and-i-will-break-down ship, I would have steered away from the big i-eat-whales-for-breakfast ship instead of "idling" against it.
>> ^Sagemind:
Captain Watson said the Ady Gil was idling in Antarctic waters (...)

>> ^vaporlock:
I don't give a f^ck what your political bent is. You can't ram a ship in the middle of the ocean. They will be able to buy twenty of those little boats after the lawyers get done with them. WTF


Apparently you've never driven a boat before. One of the most basic rules is that the largest ship ALWAYS has the right of way. The reason is fundamental physics, the larger the ship, the more momentum it has meaning stopping or turning it is going to take much longer. A small boat like the one here doesn't get by hit a large ship like this unless it gets too close ON PURPOSE.

A boat that much smaller could literally run circles around the larger ship all day long and no matter how hard the larger ship tried it could never ram the smaller boat, it's just too slow and unwieldy by comparison.

Whale meat tastes great when properly prepared (i.e. not overcooked). We rarely eat it these days though, since they became cuddly/fashionable in the US.

Ya, my sarcasm missed it's mark and people were actually commenting on how tasty it is. This planet is configured on one life consuming another life, unless your a plant...they you just get the shaft. You can debate the morality of life consuming other life till you are blue in the face, in the end though, you still have to kill something in this day and age to live. Holding it against someone because they don't share the same notion of "hey that's the last piece of pizza don't eat that", is a completely different moral argument. If you don't like that it is whales, then I think there might a small hole in your moral framework, if it is because you don't want them killing the last of something, then you have to make the concession that some people don't really care about that...like people who eat the last piece of pizza (im so hungry right now)!

They had a big report on CNN last night on this - I guess there are certain countries standing up against Japan on this. If anyone can find an online version of the report, I'd be interested to see it again, I only caught it half way through.

My opinion is "Stop Poaching & Killing Whales" but then my voice means nothing. I'm not an environmentalist, but I know when humans have no respect for other creatures. Whales aren't like fish, there aren't thousands of them under the surface. There are only so many pods out there. Why should we let people (who cares about what country they are from), over-fish them into extinction. Aparently the pods they were targeting here were a protected species.

The smashed boat was just a boat - The guys in the boat don't care about their boat - They only care about protecting the whales and put their own lives at risk for their cause. They are out there to interrupt the whalers. Yes they parked their boat in front of the whaler, who in turn could have stopped. They didn't need to just ram through. That's why they call it Whale Wars.

The whalers don't care about the wales or the people, they only care about their profit. Maybe they are just paying the bills but they truly don't care about what they destroy. And that's the bottom line here. Of course the activists will use the footage in their favor if it means they can slow down the company. Their only plan is to cut into the profits so they can slowly put the waling company out of business.

This isn't about who hit who, it is about buying some time. The longer they are not whaling, and the closer the company is to bankruptcy, the more the activists win. This could be a big win, despite the wrecked boat.

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^vaporlock:
I don't give a f^ck what your political bent is. You can't ram a ship in the middle of the ocean. They will be able to buy twenty of those little boats after the lawyers get done with them. WTF

Apparently you've never driven a boat before. One of the most basic rules is that the largest ship ALWAYS has the right of way. The reason is fundamental physics, the larger the ship, the more momentum it has meaning stopping or turning it is going to take much longer. A small boat like the one here doesn't get by hit a large ship like this unless it gets too close ON PURPOSE.
A boat that much smaller could literally run circles around the larger ship all day long and no matter how hard the larger ship tried it could never ram the smaller boat, it's just too slow and unwieldy by comparison.


Actually, if you watch this footage and the footage from the Bob Barker closely you'll see two things occur: in the video from the Shonan Maru, you'll see the water at the back of the Ady Gil churn just before the impact; and in the video from the Bob Barker, you'll see the bow of the Ady Gil lurch out of the water and move forward a bit.

Now I'm not a marine expert but I can tell you from the fair amount of boating I've done, both of those factors imply that the Gil throttled up just before being hit. My take is that they wanted to be hit and moved the boat into position to be struck.

Also the Ady Gil, formerly Earth Race, was designed as a highspeed craft, so it's very likely that even at "idle speed" it moves through the water with some vigor.

The footage from the Barker is also rather deceptive, because it appears to show the Shonan Maru turning toward the Ady Gil, but what is actually being seen is the camera angle change as the Barker sails forward and pans the camera to the right of the scene. You can tell this is what is occurring because the Gil's profile changes as well.

Wow, for a site that seems to favour rational scepticism, you don't really believe in research, do you?

The Ady Gil is a former Earthrace boat that was donated to Sea Shepherd. They didn't build or buy it themselves. But then again, if you fail at spelling "ton" or "little", I guess I can't expect much in the way of intelligent thought.

Apparently you've never driven a boat before or if you did you were a hazard to other vessels if you were at sea thinking that way. When two ships meet at sea they dont play chicken until theyve determined the comparative tonnages.

There are specific rules to follow to prevent collisions at sea. The Japanese ship didnt follow them and then after ramming the trimaran and nearly cutting it in two they tried to hose the crew into the freezing water. The work of cunts imo.

Briefly:
A steamer gives way to a sailing ship.

When two power-driven vessels are crossing, the vessel which has the other on the starboard side must give way.

The give-way vessel (whalers) must take early and substantial action to keep well clear.

The stand-on vessel (trimaran) may take action to avoid collision if it becomes clear that the give-way vessel is not taking appropriate action. Hence throttling up to get the boat moving to get out of the way of the ship (not to mention sonic weapons and water cannons), not to be cut in half or run over.

No collision can happen between two passing ships whilst a Green(starboard) light is opposed to a Green light or a Red(port) to Red.

PORT is the left-hand side of a ship looking to the bow, and is denoted at night by a red light.

STARBOARD is the right-hand side, and is denoted after dark by a green light.

If to your starboard RED appear,
It is your duty to keep clear;
To act as judgment says is proper;
To Port — or Starboard — Back — or Stop her!
But when upon your Port is seen
A Steamer's Starboard Light of GREEN,
There's not so much for you to do,
For GREEN to Port keeps clear of you.



>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^vaporlock:
I don't give a f^ck what your political bent is. You can't ram a ship in the middle of the ocean. They will be able to buy twenty of those little boats after the lawyers get done with them. WTF

Apparently you've never driven a boat before. One of the most basic rules is that the largest ship ALWAYS has the right of way. The reason is fundamental physics, the larger the ship, the more momentum it has meaning stopping or turning it is going to take much longer. A small boat like the one here doesn't get by hit a large ship like this unless it gets too close ON PURPOSE.
A boat that much smaller could literally run circles around the larger ship all day long and no matter how hard the larger ship tried it could never ram the smaller boat, it's just too slow and unwieldy by comparison.

>> ^aspartam:
Hey jackass, did you watch The Cove yet? Do it before you make yourself look any dumber than you already have.
>> ^westy:
[...] Fact is the whalers are doing this for a living and its been in there culture for a long time



Watched the documentary and well 60% of it was over emotional bullshit.
the whole thing could have been edited into a 45 min documentary that included mostly factual information and maby a tiny bit of emotional bullshit to get that "crowd" interested and then some footage to drive the story and keep things interesting.

also if they were truly trying to get the information out there they would do a youtube edit that included the most factual information and interesting stuff so it would go viral.


The facts ( to spare people watching all the needless shit they included)

1) dolphin and whale meet has large quantity of mucuray in it
2) dolphin meet is been sold falsely as whale meet
3) Japanese are killing dolphins in mass for varouse bullshit reasons.

4) so far countries have not put enough political pressure on them to stop it
5) people in japan and the world in general are not particularly aware of it

Now What i said before still stands the reasons behind whaling and dolphin fishing are cultural and economic. Japanese don't want to be told what to do because of stupid national pride and they believe in bullshit whale meet making you healthy , and economically people are making a tun of money selling live dolphins for shows and illegally selling dead whales and dolphins as other meets.

Its also the case that USA and uk have fucked up the world far more and probably caused more problems and continue to do so for humans and for animals with what we do with oil and needless wars which has allowed Manny western countries to become strong economically. I'm not saying we should ignore the dolphin issue but its only a small component of something that we are quite likely more responsible of at home. I'm all for people making films like the documentary and protesting getting into government or putting pressure on the government. But im not for people spending a shit load of cash on a retarded boat that really will have fuck all affect.

although i agree dolphins are intelligent and have thought so for a long time the documentary instead of using science to demonstrate this falls back on emotional bullshit with only small segments that talk about the science , Evan though there is plenty of science proving the intelligence of dolphins , iv personal seen dolphin brains and you can see compared to other creatures why it is so likely that they are of high intelligence.


anny way , point is the SHitty boat they were trying to use to stop the whalers is an idoitic way of trying to stop it Evan the porely edited and badly put together documentry will have been infinatly more productive then there idoit 1.5milloin boat.

It still stands that ultimately these groups will only succeed by putting pressure on the government and educating people , not by attacking the issue directly with over priced bat mobile boats.



So in conclusion aspartam in this instance i would think its more likely that you are the "jack ass"

Umm, the incident occurred in Australian territorial waters. Whatever cultural prerogative the Japanese might have for whaling (which is laughable as they poorly attempt to cover it up as 'research') doesn't trump our territorial rights.

Pity our government is a pack of f#ckwits who bend over at the drop of a hat appeasing foreign powers like China and Japan and are too busy trying to implement their net nanny program to actually give a toss about policing what is happening in our waters...

Further, using a water cannon on a boat you just rammed (regardless of who is at fault) rather than heaving to and giving assistance? There's a great deal of very cold water under those keels and exposure might be enough to kill a person out there. There is no excuse for those actions, whatever your ethical view is of whaling or sovereign rights.

Again I have to ask, in what court are you suggesting they sue for damages? How far will this get in a japanese court? and what are the limitations on damages awarded in these cases in japan anyway? It certainly wouldn't be decided by an emotional jury, so I'm pretty sure a lawsuit is a non starter.

I suppose you could try to sue in an Australian (or even American) court, if you can convince the judge he has jurisdiction, but there is no way you'd collect anything if you won.

"I'm gonna sue you" or "there aught to be a law" just doesn't make sense in this context.

>> ^vaporlock:
I don't give a f^ck what your political bent is. You can't ram a ship in the middle of the ocean. They will be able to buy twenty of those little boats after the lawyers get done with them. WTF

A case of two sides, both full of dummies and buffoons, lying to the world trying to make their case. Paul Watson is a knob, plain and simple. The Japanese are knobs for trying to pass of whaling as "research." Just call it what it is, you're not fooling anyone.

The big legal hurdle here is: International Waters. There technically isn't any law out there. If there is, please post and correct me. It's no different than what the Spanish and Portugese have been doing off the Grand Banks for decades now, except if they come into Canadian waters, we fire on em.

Totally with Gwiz and TheFreak on this one. While Japanese whaling may seem brutal and grotesque, it's not really any different than slaughterhouses. If they're not killing an endangered species, let them be. And that pussy little boat could have turned out of the path of collision at any fucking time, those sirens were probably to warn them to get the fuck out of the way of a bigger, harder-to-turn boat, because they're not going to let your bullshit interrupt their fucking livelihood. Those assholes on their little boat think they're being heroes, but they're really just taking the bread from the mouths of children with their terrorist antics.

I give the whaler an additional 500 points bonus per crewman sprayed off the ship AFTER it was split open.

It seems brutal and grotesque because it is brutal and grotesque and not remotely like what happens in a slaughterhouse.

None of the slaughterhouses I've been in kill animals by impaling them with a projectile that then explodes inside them, before using the wound created by the exploding projectile as a towing point from which the very heavy living animal is then dragged while it thrashes about in agony before suffering a slow death.

Whales are also far more intelligent than a cow or sheep, who in my experience get an instant kill in slaughterhouse conditions, as opposed to the Whales that get a savage lingering death that would have been outlawed long ago if it was occuring on land. Can you imagine elephants being routinely impaled by a spikey RPG then dragged around by it while still alive?

Comparing throwing stink bombs to terrorism is beyond nonsense.

>> ^ponceleon:
Fukka u Waaru! And Fukka u Dorufin!


♥
http://www.videosift.com/video/South-Park-Fuck-you-dolphin-fuck-you-whale

I'm glad their ship got rammed. I don't care one way or the other if the Japanese kill whales. It is not my place to tell the Japanese what they can and can not hunt. That is a decision to be made by the Japanese government. The only reason I side with the Japanese in this case, is because what the folks from Whale Wars are doing would be considered terrorism if it were done to us.

Imagine if the crew of that ship wasn't white, and was harassing American crab fishermen or something of that nature. They would all be locked up in one of our lovely maximum security hotels and interrogated for information on their terror cell connections. It is a ridiculous double standard. If groups of Hindus (to whom cows are sacred) started racing around American cattle ranches on 1.5 million dollar ATVs and harassing farm hands, we would have a whole bunch of arrested (and probably dead) Hindu activists on our hands.

The crew of that little ship should consider themselves lucky that the Japanese aren't as trigger happy as we are in the "civilized west".

When two ships meet at sea they dont play chicken until theyve determined the comparative tonnages.

It doesn't take a very close eye to tell the difference between a seadoo, a medium sized powered boat and a large ocean vessel. It's pretty safe to say in this case both sides were aware of the significant differences.

The give-way vessel (whalers) must take early and substantial action to keep well clear.
The stand-on vessel (trimaran) may take action to avoid collision if it becomes clear that the give-way vessel is not taking appropriate action.

And from this clip we have no idea what early action the whalers took. I made it through one episode of the show following the Sea Shepherd crew, and if that was any indication at all you can be certain that the trimaran did everything in it's power to get directly in the way of the whalers ship. They are the ones who's entire method IS based on playing chicken with the whalers vessels. They call their small boats like this their 'attack' craft for pity sake.

When you've got a small agile craft trying to collide and otherwise mess with a ship this much larger, the blame for what happens is entirely on the smaller agile ship, the larger ship couldn't avoid a collision without going to full stop and waiting for the trimaran to go away. Experience shows that even if they do full stop the trimaran's crew will then try to board them. I don't blame them for not going to full stop every time these guys try to attack and threaten them.

If it was legal to ram and sink boats in the open ocean then I guarantee the anti-whaling groups would try to sink all the whaling ships ASAP. The fact is, it is illegal... jurisdiction, political will, and the xenophobic tendencies of the Japanese government aside.

>> ^LordOderus:
I'm glad their ship got rammed. I don't care one way or the other if the Japanese kill whales. It is not my place to tell the Japanese what they can and can not hunt. That is a decision to be made by the Japanese government. The only reason I side with the Japanese in this case, is because what the folks from Whale Wars are doing would be considered terrorism if it were done to us.
Imagine if the crew of that ship wasn't white, and was harassing American crab fishermen or something of that nature. They would all be locked up in one of our lovely maximum security hotels and interrogated for information on their terror cell connections. It is a ridiculous double standard. If groups of Hindus (to whom cows are sacred) started racing around American cattle ranches on 1.5 million dollar ATVs and harassing farm hands, we would have a whole bunch of arrested (and probably dead) Hindu activists on our hands.
The crew of that little ship should consider themselves lucky that the Japanese aren't as trigger happy as we are in the "civilized west".


They're whaling in waters where they're not supposed to be. It's not up to the Japanese government because they're outside their legal jurisdiction. They're poaching animals in international waters, or in US waters.

Does that change your ridiculous logical fallacy at all?

If they are whaling in another nations waters, then by all means, that government should step in and raise hell. Are these anti whalers members of the navy? Are they official representatives of the government in question?

I did make a bit of an assumption while stating my opinion, in with that assumption, I did technically commit a logical fallacy. Since this seems to upset KnivesOut, I will attempt to correct the wording of said opinion.

Ahem:

"While I can not see the future, nor accurately predict the reactions of my fellow man, I propose the following: Had these anti whaling activists been of a different skin color,and nationality, and had they been harassing American fishing vessels, I believe the American government would consider them to be committing acts of terrorism and would take action accordingly."

I know I had a bit of a run-on sentence there, but I figure I can always correct my grammar later.

>> ^KnivesOut:
>> ^LordOderus:
I'm glad their ship got rammed. I don't care one way or the other if the Japanese kill whales. It is not my place to tell the Japanese what they can and can not hunt. That is a decision to be made by the Japanese government. The only reason I side with the Japanese in this case, is because what the folks from Whale Wars are doing would be considered terrorism if it were done to us.
Imagine if the crew of that ship wasn't white, and was harassing American crab fishermen or something of that nature. They would all be locked up in one of our lovely maximum security hotels and interrogated for information on their terror cell connections. It is a ridiculous double standard. If groups of Hindus (to whom cows are sacred) started racing around American cattle ranches on 1.5 million dollar ATVs and harassing farm hands, we would have a whole bunch of arrested (and probably dead) Hindu activists on our hands.
The crew of that little ship should consider themselves lucky that the Japanese aren't as trigger happy as we are in the "civilized west".

They're whaling in waters where they're not supposed to be. It's not up to the Japanese government because they're outside their legal jurisdiction. They're poaching animals in international waters, or in US waters.
Does that change your ridiculous logical fallacy at all?

>> ^moodonia:
It seems brutal and grotesque because it is brutal and grotesque and not remotely like what happens in a slaughterhouse.
None of the slaughterhouses I've been in kill animals by impaling them with a projectile that then explodes inside them, before using the wound created by the exploding projectile as a towing point from which the very heavy living animal is then dragged while it thrashes about in agony before suffering a slow death.
Whales are also far more intelligent than a cow or sheep, who in my experience get an instant kill in slaughterhouse conditions, as opposed to the Whales that get a savage lingering death that would have been outlawed long ago if it was occuring on land. Can you imagine elephants being routinely impaled by a spikey RPG then dragged around by it while still alive?
Comparing throwing stink bombs to terrorism is beyond nonsense.


Sorry, I should have been more specific. Slaughterhouses are very "humane" now, but they weren't always. I'm sure that if there's enough pressure for it, they'd develop a less violent way to kill the whales.

If that video depicted the Ady Gil being "suddenly rammed", I'll have to reevaluate my definitions of both of those words. Sort of like when people stop a car on a highway just after a high-speed semi-blind turn and wait to get hit so they can sue the driver, because rear-ending another car is almost always automatically determined to be the fault of the rear-ender.>> ^Sagemind:
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Captain Watson said the Ady Gil was idling in Antarctic waters when it was suddenly rammed by the Japanese ship Shonan Maru, which was providing security to Japan's whaling fleet.
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Ya, No doubt. I'm sure they wanted the hit and they wanted it to be the whalers fault. I'm not sure if they put themselves in front or if they were slightly to the side and the whaler veered to to make the hit. I'm just telling you what "Captain Watson" said...

>> ^MilkmanDan:
If that video depicted the Ady Gil being "suddenly rammed", I'll have to reevaluate my definitions of both of those words. Sort of like when people stop a car on a highway just after a high-speed semi-blind turn and wait to get hit so they can sue the driver, because rear-ending another car is almost always automatically determined to be the fault of the rear-ender.>> ^Sagemind:
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Captain Watson said the Ady Gil was idling in Antarctic waters when it was suddenly rammed by the Japanese ship Shonan Maru, which was providing security to Japan's whaling fleet.
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How are we supposed to know which whale parts from which species of whale are most delicious without this valuable research?

>> ^entr0py:
"Need more delicious whales; scientific research." -Japan

http://videosift.com/video/Alternate-View-of-the-Japanese-Whaler-Sea-Shepard-Collision

There is another view.

Also, as I have always said if you want to eat it you should personally have to go out and hunt it.

I mean to be fair and all. Get out there and put your neck on the line! Take part in Natural Selection! When I say hunt, do mean kill the prey with your bear hands.

>> ^KnivesOut:

They're whaling in waters where they're not supposed to be. It's not up to the Japanese government because they're outside their legal jurisdiction. They're poaching animals in international waters, or in US waters.
Does that change your ridiculous logical fallacy at all?


The thing is, what the Japanese are doing isn't considered by any government to be "whaling". They may very well be exploiting a flaw in the system that allows them to kill in the name of "research" but they're are well within their rights and the rules of the system to be doing so. The way to stop them is to correct the flaw in the system. But the Sea Shepard Society doesn't want to do that, they want to play pirate, they want to be a spectacle, because it gets them more publicity and more money. "Captain" Watson is a lunatic and an egomaniac. All he cares about is getting his name in the news, no matter who's lives he might be risking. Personally, I couldn't care less about the idiots that join his crews, frozen and drowned trust-fund idiots are at least sparing the gene pool their pompous idiot offspring, but they endanger the crews of the "research" vessels who are just people trying to make a living.

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