There is but one and I am legion.

The book's message was any sentient being is God, God is one, therefore we are all one, both part of a whole and the whole. It was a confusing book.

Better moral to me: Rely on yourself.

I know that's not the message from the book. I barely remember, wasn't it more "we are all one"?

I think the majority of white people dont really think much about race because they mostly don't interact with other races. I think it really does depend on where you live.

I grew up in Hawaii where I experienced racism as a white person. In California growing up you notice that the mexicans hang out with other mexicans and blacks with other blacks so you naturally just hang out with other white people. There are exceptions of course but that's all they seem to be for the most part.

In Montana where I live now its almost all white. I didn't move up here for that reason; it's just the way it is.

As a Christian I see all people as created in Gods image and those that Jesus died for. We are all one blood as the scripture says.

When I was an agnostic I was resigned to die a meaningless death. That is all the hope this view of the world offers; one day you will die and it won't matter. You will be gone and after a certain amount of time no one will even remember you were here.

Thank God for Jesus Christ, who died for our sins and rose from the dead on the third day. Death is a punishment for sin, it is not something we need to accept as the natural order of things. Jesus Christ defeated death and by repenting of our sins and putting our faith and trust in Him as Lord and Savior, we can be forgiven of our sins and have everlasting life.

Death is not the end and we will all one day stand in front of God and account for our lives. Your choice is to either pay for your own sins or to let Jesus pay for them for you. Both choices are eternally significant.

fuck labels
identifying with a particular label tends to alter behavior and thought process.
kinda like identifying as republican or democrat makes you blind to both.
we're all one degree of something or another. honestly i think fitting into categories is an impediment to just being yourself.

I love World Order and I love dubstep. Together its like my eyes and ears just had sex.

I think this excerpt from Wikipedia about World Orders founder may be interesting to all of you -

Genki Sudo is a retired Japanese mixed martial artist and a kickboxer who, until December 31, 2006 competed in the Japanese fighting organization HERO'S and before that, the Ultimate Fighting Championship. He is notable for his elaborate ring entrances and unorthodox fighting style. His philosophy is "We are all one." He is a practicing Buddhist. Signature moves include the flying triangle and spinning backfist

We are all One.

thanks for the response my friend.
you need to realize something,for it will save you a huge amount of time.
i am already aware of your theosophy so you dont have to reiterate every time we converse.
more practical that way.

Sure, always a pleasure my friend. I didn't get notification of your reply, otherwise I would have replied to this sooner. If I am reiterating anything it is to respond to bold claims and assertions about Jesus or the word of God that you're making.

I understand that in your eyes you have dissected the scripture for its "true" meaning, and that in comparison, you think I am rubbing two sticks together. Before I became a Christian and had gnostic beliefs, that is the way I approached scripture as well. I am not ignorant to your point of view, or your methodology. What I am trying to tell you is that by searching for the "true" meaning you have lost the true meaning.

i knew you would have a strong disagreement with not only my take on sin but how i dealt with those in a crisis of faith.
was to be expected. please remember that condensing 40 years down in to a few paragraphs much will be lost. so the answer would be:
no hell (not the version given by the church)
nor satan (again,not the version given by the church)
but i do not teach that salvation is a solo job.christ was the way and the light.
the path has been lit we need but to follow.
love and forgiveness are the first step towards that goal.

John 10:1

Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.

The first step is to submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. What we need foremost is Gods love and forgiveness; that is how we are validated as human beings. This is the reason I am disagreeing with you, because you are distorting what Jesus said. You're teaching people to make up their own gospel, and thus, their own Jesus. This is what is called idolatry. You're teaching people to make Jesus into a false idol. Don't like the idea of eternal punishment? No problem! Jesus didn't really mean that..He loves you and accepts you just the way you are. Don't like the idea of Satan? No problem! Evil is just a state of mind..you don't really have an enemy trying to destroy you. God would never allow that, He loves you!

What you're doing is divesting Jesus and His word of its authority and teaching people to be a judge over scripture. Instead of conforming to Gods standards, you're teaching people to make God conform to their standards, and showing them how they can justify it. It's wrong, and you're doing them more harm than good, because what you're teaching them is in fact in opposition to everything Jesus taught us to do.

i dont really understand your disagreement with my internalization/externalization example

because then you turn around and kind of make my point and even back up MY perspective.
that was interesting.

I disagree because it is all the work of the Holy Spirit. No, it is not what I happen to call the Holy Spirit and you call something else. I am talking about the literal Spirit of God, who has a mind and is God Himself. I am talking about the Spirit who searches the deep things of God, and leads into all truth. It isn't a metaphor I am using. This is where we're disagreeing. The Holy Spirit is the one who transforms us into the image of Christ, and apart from the Spirit we are chasing our own tails.

You say the Holy Trinity = body mind spirit. This is the problem with gnosticism, that it makes all sorts of connections that aren't really there. By making these kinds of associations you are actually divesting it of its true meaning. The Holy Trinity is God, there is nothing to compare God to, or associate God with. God is God and no one and nothing is like God. The equation isn't body mind and spirit in any case, it is body soul and spirit.

http://bible.org/seriespage/man-trinity-spirit-soul-body

nor do i understand your reticence to being called a baptist.it is what most closely aligns to your theosophy.sometimes we need labels to help us relate.thats why i use gnostic.
ah well.not a big point really..was just curious.

They are closer to what I believe than other denominations but what they believe doesn't represent what I believe. That's why I reject the label. I am simply a follower of the Way, a disciple of Jesus Christ.

i was thinking of a long line of questions but feel they not express the revelation i desire.
so.let me ask you this ONE question:
did god create us so he could be worshiped?

God created us to be in relationship with Him, which includes love, worship, fellowship, and service. He didn't create us because He needed anything, He created us out of the abundance of His goodness.

Let me ask you a question. Do you feel God isn't worthy of worshipped, or that He doesn't want to be worshipped?

This is something people bring up, that they don't feel they should have to worship God. My position is, if you don't feel like worshipping God then you clearly don't know Him. He is worthy of all honor, all praise, and all glory.

i have to admit being a bit tickled by some of your responses.they actually fit quite well from a gnostic perspective.i know you didnt mean them that way..hence me getting the giggles.
so i agree in spirit.we ARE all ONE.
this is why i end many of my letters with:namaste
what a great word.

2 Corinthians 6:14

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

We are one when we are joined together in Christ. The body of Christ is the unity that God has set apart for Himself, separate from the world. We are all made in the image of God, true, but the spirit apart from Christ is dead in its sins and is incapable of pleasing God. The family of God is made up of adopted sons and daughters, and outside of that, there is no fellowship or unity.

OH.almost forgot (because "someone" keeps using bullet form responses)
when it comes to the bible the only thing i really give any authority to is the ministry of jesus.
the old testament is the old covenant and lets be honest.god is kind of a huge dick in that book.jesus made it irrelevant.and i have read all the gospels i could get my hands on,researched the meanings,the mistranslation,other theologians hypothesis and came to two conclusions:
1.jesus was most certainly here.
2.the bible is an incomplete text,fascinating as it may be.(boring to most though,but im a dork).

It might have skipped your attention but Jesus verified the Old Testament as the truth. He verified Genesis, Noah, Jonah, and many other things. It most certainly is not irrelevent for that reason, and for the reason that it is the prophecies in the Old Testament that predict the coming of Christ, prophecies which Jesus literally fulfilled. You can read the entire OT as being a type of the Messiah to come:

http://videosift.com/video/True-and-Better

However you might see the actions of God, He was dealing with a stubborn and evil people, who defied Him at every turn. Remember when He brought Moses up on the mountain? What is the first thing the israelites did? They made a golden calf and worshipped it saying "here is the god who brought us out of egypt." This was after God had done all of these mighty miracles before them. If anything, God was way too lenient.

I'm glad we can at least agree that Jesus was here. So let me ask you two 1/2 questions:

1: why don't you think Jesus is literally God (not someone who attained it, but is the literal creator of this reality)?
1a: was He raised from the dead, and if yes, by whom and for what purpose?
2: why is the bible "incomplete"? What do you think is missing?

ps:great book for ya right here.
http://frimmin.com/books/cosmicchrist.php

I've actually seen and read similiar books to these. They attempt to turn Christianity into a universalist enlightenment religion. The 12 steps to being as God is. It is to believe everything in general without believing anything in particular. It is the same thing the serpent said to Eve:

"ye shall be as gods"

Saying, we have to become as Christ to fix the Earth. That isn't what Jesus taught. He taught us that we are servants serving in His house, and that He has been given all authority under Heaven and Earth. He said in very plain language that He is the judge of the living and the dead, and that He is going to return to this fallen world and establish His Kingdom.

There is only one Jesus Christ, and we're not it. Why do you ignore the scripture that talks about His Lordship over Heaven and Earth but then embrace everything else?

and look up christ conciousness.
thats where my general theosophy lays.

It is indeed true that we need to have the mind of Christ, but again we can't do that without the Spirit of Christ. I think it is a noble pursuit to want to be like Jesus, but you can't do that by just emulating Him. You need His Spirit, the one that raised Him from the dead. We don't get the Spirit of Christ unless we are born again and confess Jesus as Lord. It is all a work of God, and apart from Him we can do nothing.

Galatians 5:22-23

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

I hope you don't see my reply as being too harsh, because I am stating the truth of what I believe, just as you are. If you have taken any offense, please accept my apology. I don't compromise on truth, and I am only meeting you with it at the places where you have drawn the lines. Take care my friend.

>> ^enoch

thanks for the response my friend.
you need to realize something,for it will save you a huge amount of time.
i am already aware of your theosophy so you dont have to reiterate every time we converse.
more practical that way.

i knew you would have a strong disagreement with not only my take on sin but how i dealt with those in a crisis of faith.
was to be expected.
please remember that condensing 40 years down in to a few paragraphs much will be lost.
so the answer would be:
no hell (not the version given by the church)
nor satan (again,not the version given by the church)
but i do not teach that salvation is a solo job.christ was the way and the light.
the path has been lit we need but to follow.
love and forgiveness are the first step towards that goal.

i dont really understand your disagreement with my internalization/externalization example because then you turn around and kind of make my point and even back up MY perspective.
that was interesting.

nor do i understand your reticence to being called a baptist.it is what most closely aligns to your theosophy.sometimes we need labels to help us relate.thats why i use gnostic.
ah well.not a big point really..was just curious.

i was thinking of a long line of questions but feel they not express the revelation i desire.
so.
let me ask you this ONE question:
did god create us so he could be worshiped?

i have to admit being a bit tickled by some of your responses.they actually fit quite well from a gnostic perspective.i know you didnt mean them that way..hence me getting the giggles.
so i agree in spirit.we ARE all ONE.
this is why i end many of my letters with:namaste
what a great word.

OH.almost forgot (because "someone" keeps using bullet form responses)
when it comes to the bible the only thing i really give any authority to is the ministry of jesus.
the old testament is the old covenant and lets be honest.god is kind of a huge dick in that book.jesus made it irrelevant.and i have read all the gospels i could get my hands on,researched the meanings,the mistranslation,other theologians hypothesis and came to two conclusions:
1.jesus was most certainly here.
2.the bible is an incomplete text,fascinating as it may be.(boring to most though,but im a dork).

anyways.
i look forward to your answer.
namaste

ps:great book for ya right here.
http://frimmin.com/books/cosmicchrist.php

and look up christ conciousness.
thats where my general theosophy lays.

>> ^Mekanikal:

I have no idea what they're saying, but upvote for happy pop.


Genki Sudo. The thing he says most is: "We Are All One." Look him up, he's fascinating. Not the least for his crazy fighting skills.

Ignorance comes in all shapes and sizes, mostly the ironic kind. Isn't there something inherently stupid about telling someone they're wrong about their beliefs because "no one knows"? Well then, how would you know dummy? The whole thing is actually more dogmatic than any religious belief I've heard of yet. We're all one? So, if we're all one, then why is your belief valid and mine isn't? Are some of us just more special than others? Wait, you said we weren't special, so it can't be that. Maybe you're just a prophet from the vast and endless void of unbelief. Preach on, brotherman. It's a sick kind of irony to do the very same thing you're accusing someone else of doing, especially whilst doing said accusing.

I find this video disturbing, not just for its blatant idiocy, but for the fact that it just further cements this mainstreaming of militant antitheism. How is it that atheists seem to believe they can just go around and treat someone like garbage and talk down to them like children because they think they're right about something..why is this socially acceptable? I'm sorry, but just as atheists like to say that Christians don't have the license on what is good and moral, atheists don't have licence on logic and reason, as this video clearly proves.

I'm a Christian and I didn't come to be one because I was brainwashed. I didn't grow up with religion, nor was I interested in it. I saw it as counterproductive at best. I wasn't sure if Jesus even existed, and if He did, that He was surely a man and nothing more. I would even entertain myself by going into Christian chatrooms to argue with them against the existence of their particular God. Being agnostic, I didn't rule out that the Universe could have been created, and I knew that humanity, not even having left the solar system, could not possibly have enough information about what is going on to know either way. However, due to my pitiful understanding of the bible and Christianity in general, I believed they were all brainwashed too.

What changed my mind? Direct revelation. God proved to me, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that He existed. Yet, even then I did not become a Christian. I simply had faith in a Creator, and I believed that all religions and paths (eventually) led to Him. It was not until some 5 years later that I was born again. The reason I became a Christian and not a muslim or what have you is simple. God showed me who He is, and what His nature is like. I knew before I became a Christian, because of what God had taught me, that God is a triune being. Three persons, One God. I knew this about His nature before I ever correlated it to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God showed me that He is indeed the God of the Christian bible, and when I finally read it, everything I knew about Gods true nature was contained within those pages.

So, as you can see, not every Christian fits into these convenient little molds atheists like to trot out. I am a highly rational and logical person , who has reasoned these things out to a much deeper level than any of you would be willing to give me credit for, mostly because of this derogetory label you have in your mind, of an unthinking unsentient idiot who believes in pretty lies and convenient truths. It is a common prejudice and one Christians do not deserve. I don't particularly like the way that Christianity is practiced in this country either but is it some big revelation that human beings do stupid, ignorant and hypocritical things? Do you think atheism has cornered the market on rational behavior? Find me a stupid Christian, ill find you a stupid atheist. Quid pro quo. It's videos like these that divide us, and stifle rational discourse, not encourage it. Nothing born of intolerance will lead to understanding.

"We are all one"? Really? On what basis is that believe established, or is it just blind faith?

Some junk about how White Privilege doesn't exist because we're all one species and all our history is the same, winners and losers, blah blah..

Basically, denying racism exists [if I'm not mistaken]. Not entirely sure what he meant to say tho.

Tho that clearly isn't true as any brown black or dark toned person can attest to in nearly any/every country.

To make statements like those, you're either:
- completely ignorant of U.S. history between the years 1607 and 1964.
- sorta bigoted. a little bit. unintentionally maybe even. [not so much the case for g-man apparently]
>> ^gwiz665:

This time even I went, "dude..." but ended up just staying out of it.
When/where was the other time?
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
So thaaaat's why you said all that awful dumb stuff before..
I remember that drama too, i was sort of on his side that time, though you can (and surely will?) defend anything with "satire".

"a debate for another time!" - And you had to start...

Hey, I hope I made no offence - I personaly don't subscribe to either side of this particular debate. Though, you did react rather stongly which does make my point.

As far as "English side of Canada is still in love with the Queen of England", I think this is a drastic generalisation and arogance. Not to mention untrue for the majority of us.

I don't entirly come from an English background even though I was brought up speaking english. I think it is great french speaking Canadians have a great heritage though I just wish they would concider our current union as part of that heritage and stop splitting hairs. If you stand up and look around - the ROC consists of Aboriginal, German, Chinese, East Indians, Japanese, Rusian - and so many more backgrounds that I could go on forever. - Yes, the french were among the first to land here and set up shop but honestly - who cares - we are all here now and we are all one country.

Thanks for the insults - I think I have made my point and you have helped me in that - I'm sorry you are carying a grudge for something that happened hundereds of years ago to ancestors you never met. I don't understand your tone and I don't get the animosity you put forward.

Cheers and have a great day - fellow Canadian.