Trump said on live tv that George Washington had airplanes. Vaccines cause autism, and he wants to date his daughter.

Trump said windmills cause cancer and vaccines cause autism. And covid would just go away,then,a million people died. He missed,by a million people.

Republicans are a cancer on the universe. Willfully ignorant violent lunatics. Who think covid is safe and vaccines are dangerous. And trump is a dead jfk. And democrats drink baby blood.

>1230 of them died. The number permanently disabled is much larger. Permanent brain fog is pretty serious if you’re 10.
Also, Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is also pretty bad.

In your opinion….ok. I’ll accept that, but in reality the risks from getting covid, even for children, outweigh the minimal risks from vaccination by far. 1231 verified US child deaths from covid… https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 …how many verified deaths from vaccinations? Cite sources please.

For children covid is just not bad at all, almost no chance of serious complications. Taking a vaccine based on brand new technology never before used in humans is, in my opinion, just not worth the risk for them.

Sweet zombie Jesus, compared to the side effects of getting covid, the risk with vaccination is statistically zero.
Permanent heart, lung, blood vessel, kidney, eye, and/or brain damage, and death just for starters.

The occurrence rate of side effects is almost certainly orders of magnitude larger with the disease….but admittedly I can’t find trustworthy numbers for either.

Specifically for Myocarditis …. 37 “reported cases” after 82 million vaccinations, vs 450 cases per 1 million infections….
“Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine”.- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/

The problem with that approach is that vaccines have potential side effects, some of them severe, like myocarditis. For old farts like myself it probably makes sense to get the vaccine, but for young people and especially children the upside is small and the potential downside is large.

You might notice they compare apples to oranges…
Different time periods, different shot levels, grouping mixtures, no clue which vaccine or which strain of covid they looked at, they all vary widely…I would prefer more standardized methods if I’m to make sense out of their data.

I’ve read studies that had similar results, and those with completely contradictory results. Some say natural immunity is better, longer lasting, some say the exact opposite. You can prove anything with statistics….forfty percent of all people know that.

It’s better off the bat because you don’t have to get the disease for the immunity…better again because with boosters it’s better than without them, double boostered likely being better than natural immunity in the same timeframes, or if not, close….also better because you KNOW you got the shots and have a widely accepted record of them, unless you get repeatedly tested you don’t KNOW you had covid…false positives happen…and you don’t get a record to show (for travel, etc).

The science isn’t clear, but it is clear that no immunity is permanent and none is total protection. Because all immunity fades rapidly, herd immunity is a myth.

That does not seem to be entirely true. It is true that immunity declines, whether from vaccination or infection. It's not true that vaccination gives better or longer lasting protection than vaccination.

From https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1

RESULTS Confirmed infection rates increased according to time elapsed since the last immunity-conferring event in all cohorts. For unvaccinated previously infected individuals they increased from 10.5 per 100,000 risk-days for those previously infected 4-6 months ago to 30.2 for those previously infected over a year ago. For individuals receiving a single dose following prior infection they increased from 3.7 per 100,000 person days among those vaccinated in the past two months to 11.6 for those vaccinated over 6 months ago. For vaccinated previously uninfected individuals the rate per 100,000 person days increased from 21.1 for persons vaccinated within the first two months to 88.9 for those vaccinated more than 6 months ago.

CONCLUSIONS Protection from reinfection decreases with time since previous infection, but is, nevertheless, higher than that conferred by vaccination with two doses at a similar time since the last immunity-con

Herd immunity is a myth with Covid because Covid immunity is not permanent, it’s very short lived, as little as 2 months. You can get Covid over and over and over until it kills you.
The same is true with vaccination, it’s not 100% effective nor does it last, but it seems to be better than natural immunity with the added benefit of not requiring you to get full blown covid to be protected.

Also, temporary immunity against one strain does not necessarily make you immune to other strains at all.

In Hong Kong (where I was born), a majority of seniors are reluctant to vaccinate even amid its deadliest 5th wave of Covid (blame anti-government sentiment, doctors ruling against vaccinating seniors & sensational media fear-mongering of rare vaccine side-effects over logical thinking, facts & mathematical probability) brought me to think that many of them have a death wish anyway. It's kind of a cultural thing.

The point is that Trump did nothing, ignored, minimized, and outright lied about Covid and people died at ever increasing rates while he called it a hoax.
Biden took it seriously and those insanely high infection and death rates almost instantly started falling in every category except for people who took medical advice from Trump. Those people continue to die today because they insist horse dewormer and hydroxycloraquin works for virus infections but vaccinations don’t.

You never have a point besides Orange Daddy good, anyone not following him bad. Trump and Putin smart, all others dumb.

Biden took office with vaccines in hand and even more people died. And your point is?

Trump (cont'd): "Then we got hit by the 'China' virus, and after the 'China' virus we did one of the best jobs in the world of doing everything including Operation Warp Speed and everything that that entailed. The therapeutics, the vaccines, everything we did and then they messed it up with the mandates, and they absolutely were killing our country with the mandates which should have never happened. It's just so sad to hear because this was all a self-inflicted wound from inflation to the loss of energy independence. And now add to that what's going on in Ukraine. That's genocide. What's happening in Ukraine, people have never seen anything like that before.

Trump said that vaccines cause autism.