Uninstall that crap, and install Ubuntu or Linux. Pick your distro.

I use a Ubuntu Kernel.

>> ^yellowc:
Why do people still consider mentioning that "PC" is "Personal Computer" and that Macs are part of that?


Because hardware is hardware and software is software. Almost all home computers now, whether Apple, Dell, HP, self-built, run on intercompatible hardware. This is pretty cool actually, I just don't like the over-simplification that goes on in advertising.

As for comfort of use, as a lifelong Windows user who switched first to Ubuntu then OS X on the side, I have to say I never really got comfortable with Windows. The window management paradigm is cluttered and simply gets on my nerves. Exposé and the Compiz equivalent on Linux made for a user experience that was immediately more comfortable for me than I was with Windows, even as someone who had never used anything that didn't come from Microsoft. At the risk of terminal digression, I'd like to state the entire idea of a desktop is terrible, too, and this is something OS X does badly as well. I don't see why you would ever want anything put on your desktop since you'll just end up having to move a dozen windows out of the way to get at the desktop.

>> ^ForgedReality:

Macs and Desktops using Windows are both PCs. MacOS is oversimplified (meaning it restricts user control far too much), but its UI is overcomplicated (meaning things that should be accomplished easier are made more complicated).


Say what? I generally use 4 different OSes daily, and have lots of experience with many of them (Daily: Mac OS X, Windows XP/Vista, BackTrack, and CentOS. Experience: Too many to name all, but basically all the BSDs, most of the Linuxes, Minix, AIX, basically every Mac and Windows OS version, you name it - just no OS/2.)

Mac OS pre-10 didn't give you enough control (unless you knew the tricks), but in Mac OS X, you have WAY more control than Windows. Too much if you ask me. But the Mac has ALWAYS had a very simple UI, that was the beauty of it. You could do just as much with less effort. A true productivity OS.


Things are a lot easier on Windows such as being able to click a drop down, and then move thru it via the arrow keys, which is very nice for Photoshop users in particular (arrowing through typefaces, layer blend modes, etc). So many things are made quicker via the keyboard, which Apple refuses to allow in its OS. Everything must be done with the mouse. Why? Okay, Windows has Windows+D, and MacOS has F11, but that's the extent of it pretty much. I can't tab through window elements on a Mac, I can't easily get to a console on a mac (Windows+R->cmd<enter>), I can't select a shortcut and then alt+enter it to get to its properties window on a Mac, etc.


I'll bet it's all down to experience. I've always complained to my Windows friends that I can't navigate Windows with the keyboard like I can on the Mac. I'm lightning fast navigating through Mac OS with the keyboard, but I can't do jack on Windows. Chalk it up to knowledge is my guess. As for Photoshop, I would guess that's Adobe's fault.

BTW, one click on a Mac to get console access, or >console in the login. CMD-I will get you to the properties window for any file. Any others you need help with?


And games? Fuggeddaboudit.


And here is my only reason for still having Windows machines AT ALL. If it weren't for the games, I wouldn't touch the OS with a 10 meter cattle prod.


Ubuntu is a far superior OS to both Windows and MacOS. This is fact, not opinion.
Even though MacOS is based on Unix, just like Ubuntu (Linux was derived from Unix), somehow Ubuntu does it much better.
The only reason I run Windows is because I can actually run my games on it. The SECOND Linux gets better support and can run games as well as XP, or at least approachably well, Ubuntu will become my main OS.


Any time someone tells you that something is a fact and not an opinion... well, I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this. I have used Ubuntu quite a bit, especially for my Netbooks. One I moved to Mac OS X, one runs various OSes installed to SD cards, such as BackTrack, and one went to Windows to support a crappy piece of hardware I have that is ONLY supported in Windows (don't get me started on hardware support). Ubuntu is okay for a consumer OS, but not great. Linux suffers from the 'too many cooks' issue, and Ubuntu does a pretty good job at mitigating that, but it's no Mac OS, where everything "just works".

>> ^arvana:
^ Have you tried VirtualBox?  It's pretty amazing.  My father uses WordPerfect, so the only way he would let me set him up on Ubuntu was with WP running on XP under VirtualBox, and it works perfectly.

Virtualbox is excellent! If you really want to get into it, you can run the VMs as a Windows service, have them start up when the computer boots and so on. Performance is better than either VirtualPC or VMWare, and it's free Also, running x64 guests on x32 hosts is amusing.

>> ^Xax:
Windows 7 has been my primary OS for more than half a year, and I'm very happy with it. It's not revolutionary, but I prefer it over XP.

Question is, will you pay for a license when you already have XP? Is it that big an upgrade to justify $200?

^ Have you tried VirtualBox?  It's pretty amazing.  My father uses WordPerfect, so the only way he would let me set him up on Ubuntu was with WP running on XP under VirtualBox, and it works perfectly.

>> ^ElJardinero:
Why do some pc users crap all over macs and then get super excited when microsoft copies features that have existed on macs for quite some time?


Macs and Desktops using Windows are both PCs. MacOS is oversimplified (meaning it restricts user control far too much), but its UI is overcomplicated (meaning things that should be accomplished easier are made more complicated). Things are a lot easier on Windows such as being able to click a drop down, and then move thru it via the arrow keys, which is very nice for Photoshop users in particular (arrowing through typefaces, layer blend modes, etc). So many things are made quicker via the keyboard, which Apple refuses to allow in its OS. Everything must be done with the mouse. Why? Okay, Windows has Windows+D, and MacOS has F11, but that's the extent of it pretty much. I can't tab through window elements on a Mac, I can't easily get to a console on a mac (Windows+R->cmd<enter>), I can't select a shortcut and then alt+enter it to get to its properties window on a Mac, etc. And games? Fuggeddaboudit.

Ubuntu is a far superior OS to both Windows and MacOS. This is fact, not opinion.

Even though MacOS is based on Unix, just like Ubuntu (Linux was derived from Unix), somehow Ubuntu does it much better.

The only reason I run Windows is because I can actually run my games on it. The SECOND Linux gets better support and can run games as well as XP, or at least approachably well, Ubuntu will become my main OS.

I run Ubuntu in a VM

ahem.

www.ubuntu.com

I could easily run Ubuntu but I want to you know actually use my computer and not sink dozens of hours per year into sticking it to MS. Oh also I play PC games. Vista's pretty sweet for that.

why buying a branded computer is ridiculous.

www.newegg.com

www.ubuntu.com

The thing I love about the laptop hunter campaign is that they are not even explicitly mentioning their product, the fact that it comes bundled with the vast majority of x86 laptops is largely irrelevant to the claims the ads are making. Lucky for them they have the laptop OEMs in their back pocket, or all these laptop hunters would be saving $50 on the preinstalled vista license by buying ubuntu systems.

Is not mentioning their product the only way for Microsoft to make an effective ad campaign?

I'll help too, with a different combination than all of the above:

OS: Ubuntu 9.04 64bit
Web: Opera 9.64

I'm in! I have multiple browsers on Ubuntu and XP.

WinXP, Ubuntu
Firefox 3, Firefox 3.5, IE8, Chrome 2, Opera 9, Epiphany... shit, I'll even try it on w3m.

I could drop by my mom's house and cover some Mac testing as well.

Sure..mainly Firefox on Ubuntu here. I'm a bit rusty on the site but would like seeing what y'all are up to. I'm pretty detail oriented about design stuff.