Oh Bob, comparing apples to turd sandwiches again I see.

Let's see the other video comparing the Republican's position in 98 to their position today....oops, I guess you forgot they were insistent that it ALL be public when it was about Clinton, including destroying uncharged individuals like Lewinsky, grand jury testimony, finances, taxes, etc. Back then it was unconscionable that any snippet of information Starr found be kept private, the public had a right to know everything they can about the president, today they argued the Barr report was the end all, no need to open the redacted Mueller report at all, forget letting anyone see it all even in closed session and absolutely not the public, ever....and the unredacted report should probably be destroyed before it leaks.

Just duh, Bob. You're grasping again.

The roots of this issue in the US go deeper than partisan "Dems vs. Reps" politics.

By the time any normal voter (including the "ignorant people") get to cast a ballot, the "Funders" (from "the big club" George describes) have already had their way with the candidates.

Turd Sandwich or Giant Douch, Kang or Kodos, the "Funders" choose who is on the ballot. The Ignorant People only get to pick which one will be the least bad for them, but neither choice will ever work on their behalf. Both candidates are beholden to the Funders.

Larry can explain in greater detail....

If Bernie is eggplant, Hilliary is soylent green.

She may look like a vegetable but voting Hillary is the equivalent cannibalism.

Vote turd sandwich.

This is precisely why a large part of me actually wants Trump to win.

We're way too complacent. There has been a slow, steady, gradual decline that has lulled us into apathy -- even though the state of politics and "democracy" in the US (and arguably globally as a result) is absolutely pathetic and appalling at this point.

It is looking more and more likely that the general election will be Trump vs Clinton.

First of all, that alone demonstrates just how fucked we are. Our final two choices are likely to be the two people with the highest negative opinion numbers out of all the candidates. The cream didn't rise to the top, and instead the two biggest turds managed to avoid being flushed. South Park seems oddly prophetic; we have really ended up with turd sandwich vs. giant douche. I just can't tell which is which.

Second, I notice that a LOT of people (including "establishment" Republicans) are scared shitless by the prospect of a Trump presidency. In a Trump vs Clinton election, they say that they would easily prefer to vote for Clinton -- perhaps couched with the "lesser of two evils" descriptor, but still vote for Clinton.

I agree with the idea that Clinton is the lesser of those two evils. But that, in combination with our current level of apathy, makes me MORE afraid of a Clinton presidency than a Trump one. Clinton is a slick, dirty politician. People think they are going to dodge the Trump bullet by voting for her, but she is the archetype of what got us into this situation. She tells people only what she thinks they want to hear, while doing exactly what her donors (megacorporations) want her to do whenever the camera isn't on. A Clinton presidency will keep the masses just placated enough to NOT boil over.

Meanwhile, Trump seems like enough of a perfect storm that he could actually screw things up bad enough to make the masses stand up and take notice. Maybe that kind of slap in the face is what we need.

Clinton presidency: "Fuck it."
Trump presidency: "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"


In a hypothetical scenario where the general election was Trump vs Sanders, it would be much harder for me to be "pro" Trump. Because Sanders seems like maybe he's got the right mindset to change things for the better the *right* way. On the other hand, I kinda felt the same way about Obama. So, even in a Trump vs Sanders scenario, a big part of me would be "hoping" for Trump to win. Because *something* has got to snap us out of our apathy.

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Wow. This thread is turning into more fun than I expected. When life gives you a turd sandwich, make turdinade.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^VoodooV:
>> ^SevenFingers:
"He's the first president I voted for who is responsible for childrens deaths."
If he's not the only president you voted for in your life then I doubt that to be true. Technology today allows coverage on more of that kind of thing now, allowing us to see it. Plus you should probably get used to it, I highly doubt things are going to change soon no, matter who's POTUS.
I have no interest in voting, I probably never will. Since.. you know, the choices will always be:
A: Turd Sandwhich
B: Douche bag

another false equivalency. Just because two things are undesirable, doesn't mean they are equally undesirable. If you literally were forced to choose between a turd sandwich and a douche bag. I guarantee you that one would inevitably be be less bad than the other.
"both sides are bad" is a cop out.

You have a choice...you can walk away. Like I'm doing.


Yeah, that's... um, going to produce such a great outcome.

Man you have a sanctimonious tone in this thread "You know nothing, I know fucking everything, there's no way MY thinking could be anything but completely informed and RIGHT"

You don't like either of the major candidates so you will not vote, and then get really shitty at those who want to vote to keep out the bigger danger to your country.

Congrats on sounding like a self righteous dick.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^VoodooV:
>> ^SevenFingers:
"He's the first president I voted for who is responsible for childrens deaths."
If he's not the only president you voted for in your life then I doubt that to be true. Technology today allows coverage on more of that kind of thing now, allowing us to see it. Plus you should probably get used to it, I highly doubt things are going to change soon no, matter who's POTUS.
I have no interest in voting, I probably never will. Since.. you know, the choices will always be:
A: Turd Sandwhich
B: Douche bag

another false equivalency. Just because two things are undesirable, doesn't mean they are equally undesirable. If you literally were forced to choose between a turd sandwich and a douche bag. I guarantee you that one would inevitably be be less bad than the other.
"both sides are bad" is a cop out.

You have a choice...you can walk away. Like I'm doing.


no vote, so no voice, so stfu. I respect far right racist trolls like QM or bobknight33 more than someone who won't vote.

>> ^VoodooV:

>> ^SevenFingers:
"He's the first president I voted for who is responsible for childrens deaths."
If he's not the only president you voted for in your life then I doubt that to be true. Technology today allows coverage on more of that kind of thing now, allowing us to see it. Plus you should probably get used to it, I highly doubt things are going to change soon no, matter who's POTUS.
I have no interest in voting, I probably never will. Since.. you know, the choices will always be:
A: Turd Sandwhich
B: Douche bag

another false equivalency. Just because two things are undesirable, doesn't mean they are equally undesirable. If you literally were forced to choose between a turd sandwich and a douche bag. I guarantee you that one would inevitably be be less bad than the other.
"both sides are bad" is a cop out.


You have a choice...you can walk away. Like I'm doing.

>> ^SevenFingers:

"He's the first president I voted for who is responsible for childrens deaths."

If he's not the only president you voted for in your life then I doubt that to be true. Technology today allows coverage on more of that kind of thing now, allowing us to see it. Plus you should probably get used to it, I highly doubt things are going to change soon no, matter who's POTUS.
I have no interest in voting, I probably never will. Since.. you know, the choices will always be:
A: Turd Sandwhich
B: Douche bag


another false equivalency. Just because two things are undesirable, doesn't mean they are equally undesirable. If you literally were forced to choose between a turd sandwich and a douche bag. I guarantee you that one would inevitably be be less bad than the other.

"both sides are bad" is a cop out.

>> ^CaptainPlanet:

^ vote giant douche, down with turd samwich. am i getting your drift vodov?


I really haven't weighed the pros and cons of which is worse, a giant douche or a turd sandwich so I can't really give an informed opinion as such

So JJ is McCain the giant douche or the turd sandwich?

No one goes wrong with a turd sandwich...

"Come this election day don't vote for more of the same giant douche. Instead vote change with the turd sandwich."

Hey, that's catchy! I bet that could catch on.

Hillary's campaign is so in debt they have to continue on as normal to scrounge up donations. She knows she isn't going to win, the attack ads are a just doing damage to Obama's credibility to allow McSame a chance at actually winning. Alas they're all CFR members so it's a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich AGAIN.

MG: Remember last time when we got to vote for a turd sandwich or a giant douche?

While I think that Sen Clinton is so wrapped up in the DNC political machine that she resembles that situation, I don't see that from either McCain or Obama.

Remember being president means:

1) making emergency decisions
2) getting the rest of the government to do their jobs consistent with your policy intentions.

#2 is basically charisma and speaking skills, Obama wins that over the other two hands down, and that matters.

I would say all three standing candidates are far and above the options in 2004, in terms of ability. But it does not matter how able a "decider" the president is, if s/he can't get the rest of the government to fall in line the presidency is lame-duck from day one.

Also note, if a Dem get in the WhiteHouse you can expect "the unitary executive" and "signing statements" to be ruled unconstitutional within months by the Supreme Court, so Obama or Clinton will actually have to do their job instead of just ignoring everybody else(and the law), as W has done.