If they are whaling in another nations waters, then by all means, that government should step in and raise hell. Are these anti whalers members of the navy? Are they official representatives of the government in question?

I did make a bit of an assumption while stating my opinion, in with that assumption, I did technically commit a logical fallacy. Since this seems to upset KnivesOut, I will attempt to correct the wording of said opinion.

Ahem:

"While I can not see the future, nor accurately predict the reactions of my fellow man, I propose the following: Had these anti whaling activists been of a different skin color,and nationality, and had they been harassing American fishing vessels, I believe the American government would consider them to be committing acts of terrorism and would take action accordingly."

I know I had a bit of a run-on sentence there, but I figure I can always correct my grammar later.

>> ^KnivesOut:
>> ^LordOderus:
I'm glad their ship got rammed. I don't care one way or the other if the Japanese kill whales. It is not my place to tell the Japanese what they can and can not hunt. That is a decision to be made by the Japanese government. The only reason I side with the Japanese in this case, is because what the folks from Whale Wars are doing would be considered terrorism if it were done to us.
Imagine if the crew of that ship wasn't white, and was harassing American crab fishermen or something of that nature. They would all be locked up in one of our lovely maximum security hotels and interrogated for information on their terror cell connections. It is a ridiculous double standard. If groups of Hindus (to whom cows are sacred) started racing around American cattle ranches on 1.5 million dollar ATVs and harassing farm hands, we would have a whole bunch of arrested (and probably dead) Hindu activists on our hands.
The crew of that little ship should consider themselves lucky that the Japanese aren't as trigger happy as we are in the "civilized west".

They're whaling in waters where they're not supposed to be. It's not up to the Japanese government because they're outside their legal jurisdiction. They're poaching animals in international waters, or in US waters.
Does that change your ridiculous logical fallacy at all?

>> ^LordOderus:
I'm glad their ship got rammed. I don't care one way or the other if the Japanese kill whales. It is not my place to tell the Japanese what they can and can not hunt. That is a decision to be made by the Japanese government. The only reason I side with the Japanese in this case, is because what the folks from Whale Wars are doing would be considered terrorism if it were done to us.
Imagine if the crew of that ship wasn't white, and was harassing American crab fishermen or something of that nature. They would all be locked up in one of our lovely maximum security hotels and interrogated for information on their terror cell connections. It is a ridiculous double standard. If groups of Hindus (to whom cows are sacred) started racing around American cattle ranches on 1.5 million dollar ATVs and harassing farm hands, we would have a whole bunch of arrested (and probably dead) Hindu activists on our hands.
The crew of that little ship should consider themselves lucky that the Japanese aren't as trigger happy as we are in the "civilized west".


They're whaling in waters where they're not supposed to be. It's not up to the Japanese government because they're outside their legal jurisdiction. They're poaching animals in international waters, or in US waters.

Does that change your ridiculous logical fallacy at all?

I'm glad their ship got rammed. I don't care one way or the other if the Japanese kill whales. It is not my place to tell the Japanese what they can and can not hunt. That is a decision to be made by the Japanese government. The only reason I side with the Japanese in this case, is because what the folks from Whale Wars are doing would be considered terrorism if it were done to us.

Imagine if the crew of that ship wasn't white, and was harassing American crab fishermen or something of that nature. They would all be locked up in one of our lovely maximum security hotels and interrogated for information on their terror cell connections. It is a ridiculous double standard. If groups of Hindus (to whom cows are sacred) started racing around American cattle ranches on 1.5 million dollar ATVs and harassing farm hands, we would have a whole bunch of arrested (and probably dead) Hindu activists on our hands.

The crew of that little ship should consider themselves lucky that the Japanese aren't as trigger happy as we are in the "civilized west".

I have to say though, looking at this from an objective journalistic point of view, ignoring the topic for a moment: this was an incredibly snarky piece of one-sided reporting, "this tree is ok, look how clever I am, tee hee!".


The only thing that sort of surprises me is how surprised everyone is. Do you not know much about CH?

Like the fact its websites' domain is *.ch?

This country that makes you wait at least 10 years before you can get citizenship - this country is super old school. *controversy? Heck yeah.

It's one of the most hyper-militarized states in the world, you do realize, right?

And the country - at least in some parts - that expects women to stay home and raise kids - and has a crazy long lunch break that makes it difficult to do otherwise.

>> ^rychan:
This is ridiculous. Is there nothing in the Swiss or EU constitution that prohibits a law that targets a specific religion? How on Earth did they even write this law, anyway? "If the people inside a building believe Jesus was the son of God, they can build really tall towers, but if they believe Jesus was only a prophet, they can not". Does the building permit for towers have a checkbox for allowable religions? Does an architectural review board decide if a tower is too Islamic-influenced versus Christian-influenced? It's preposterous.


Actually Switzerland is not part of the EU, and there's another reason for you.

BTW, title's misleading, there are already apparently 4 towers which stay - it's just preventing new ones.

The Swiss are the most zoning-law-trigger-happy people in the world, no doubt.

>> ^LordOderus
They fired 41 one rounds at him. That's an average to 10.25 rounds per officer. Obviously you can't fire 1/4 of a bullet, but still, that mean each officer had to almost empty his firearm while firing at one suspect. Now we all know he wasn't hit 41 times, and I understand the need to fire until the target has "gone down" but 41 shots is super excessive. Either these cops were trigger happy, or horrible, horrible shots and shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms because they are far more likely to hit an innocent bystander than anything they are aiming at.


No it's not, you just don't understand shooting. Here's why, and if you've ever been to a police college they'll tell you the same thing.

@25ft(I'll be nice)
Standing still 20% chance to hit someone.
Suspect moving 10-12% to hit.
Both moving 5-7% to hit.

And yep every cop still passes their gun qualification, and some even have sharpshooting qualifications. It really is that hard to hit someone. There was an incident in London, Ontario where a cop emptied 31 rounds I think it was and didn't hit them once. He was cleared, fully.

MM is an idiot, stuff like this proves it. If you've never been in a situation where you might be killed by someone elses actions because they're not complying you have no idea what it's like.

>> ^ulysses1904:
Michael Moore is such a simpleton. He exemplifies everything I hate about television and mass media and socio-political discussions. And no, I'm not a conservative, I used to like Michael Moore. I bought his "The Awful Truth" series on VHS when it came out. But I now see his movies as cheap, manipulative, over-edited 4-panel comic strips, just like so much of modern mass media.
It was a tragic mistake when the police shot and killed Amadou Diallo. From what I understand his English wasn't all that great and was probably confused with what the cops were telling him to do. He pulls out his wallet and the cop nearest to him starts back-pedaling in panic, as he doesn't know what it is. And the cop trips as he is retreating and falls down violently. The next cop reacts instinctively, thinking the retreating cop sees a gun and is in danger. And he starts firing at Amadou. The other cops respond in kind, thinking that "these guys know something I don't, that this guy is a threat" and they start firing too. It all happened very quickly. Then when they find out it's a wallet and they misread the whole thing they are traumatized and shaken. Quite a different picture than that which I've heard described, which is a comic book image of grinning, evil, trigger-happy racist cops, standing over Amadou in a semi-circle, gleefully pumping bullets into his body and reloading and firing more and giving high-fives and smoking cigars and saying to each other "he got what he deserved for not obeying our orders".
But all these details I've just included wouldn't easily fit on a picket sign or be boiled down to a simple-minded protest chant.


Talk about anti-michael moore propogandistic reaction..

You claim to be an ex-fan of moore. I suggest that if anyone else had made this, you'd be laughing. It's not in the same vein as the stuff you claim to dislike about him, it's just good old fashioned humour.

I watched without bias, and i thought it was very funny. You're definitely anti-michael moore whether you admit it or not.

>> ^ulysses1904:
Michael Moore is such a simpleton. He exemplifies everything I hate about television and mass media and socio-political discussions. And no, I'm not a conservative, I used to like Michael Moore. I bought his "The Awful Truth" series on VHS when it came out. But I now see his movies as cheap, manipulative, over-edited 4-panel comic strips, just like so much of modern mass media.
It was a tragic mistake when the police shot and killed Amadou Diallo. From what I understand his English wasn't all that great and was probably confused with what the cops were telling him to do. He pulls out his wallet and the cop nearest to him starts back-pedaling in panic, as he doesn't know what it is. And the cop trips as he is retreating and falls down violently. The next cop reacts instinctively, thinking the retreating cop sees a gun and is in danger. And he starts firing at Amadou. The other cops respond in kind, thinking that "these guys know something I don't, that this guy is a threat" and they start firing too. It all happened very quickly. Then when they find out it's a wallet and they misread the whole thing they are traumatized and shaken. Quite a different picture than that which I've heard described, which is a comic book image of grinning, evil, trigger-happy racist cops, standing over Amadou in a semi-circle, gleefully pumping bullets into his body and reloading and firing more and giving high-fives and smoking cigars and saying to each other "he got what he deserved for not obeying our orders".
But all these details I've just included wouldn't easily fit on a picket sign or be boiled down to a simple-minded protest chant.



They fired 41 one rounds at him. That's an average to 10.25 rounds per officer. Obviously you can't fire 1/4 of a bullet, but still, that mean each officer had to almost empty his firearm while firing at one suspect. Now we all know he wasn't hit 41 times, and I understand the need to fire until the target has "gone down" but 41 shots is super excessive. Either these cops were trigger happy, or horrible, horrible shots and shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms because they are far more likely to hit an innocent bystander than anything they are aiming at.

Michael Moore is such a simpleton. He exemplifies everything I hate about television and mass media and socio-political discussions. And no, I'm not a conservative, I used to like Michael Moore. I bought his "The Awful Truth" series on VHS when it came out. But I now see his movies as cheap, manipulative, over-edited 4-panel comic strips, just like so much of modern mass media.

It was a tragic mistake when the police shot and killed Amadou Diallo. From what I understand his English wasn't all that great and was probably confused with what the cops were telling him to do. He pulls out his wallet and the cop nearest to him starts back-pedaling in panic, as he doesn't know what it is. And the cop trips as he is retreating and falls down violently. The next cop reacts instinctively, thinking the retreating cop sees a gun and is in danger. And he starts firing at Amadou. The other cops respond in kind, thinking that "these guys know something I don't, that this guy is a threat" and they start firing too. It all happened very quickly. Then when they find out it's a wallet and they misread the whole thing they are traumatized and shaken. Quite a different picture than that which I've heard described, which is a comic book image of grinning, evil, trigger-happy racist cops, standing over Amadou in a semi-circle, gleefully pumping bullets into his body and reloading and firing more and giving high-fives and smoking cigars and saying to each other "he got what he deserved for not obeying our orders".

But all these details I've just included wouldn't easily fit on a picket sign or be boiled down to a simple-minded protest chant.

>> ^longde:
eia for blocking a fire exit and for parking at heavy object on a floor that was not necessarily zoned for such purposes. They don't seem to be on the 'ground' floor and people design space under flooring all the time; how do they know the car wouldn't have crashed through?


I'd say that's a bit trigger happy on the eia. Calling it evolution in action because it's blocking an exit on the chance that the place catches on fire and kills someone is a wee bit of a stretch, no? All videos on the sift would be eia if we applied 'what if' scenarios.. A meteor strike's overdue.. that's evolution for you.

Seeing as people aren't complete morons most of the time I'd venture a guess that they gave some (just a bit) thought to the safety of the 'stunt' before pulling it.

The car also only weighs around 2,390 lbs (1,084 kg) and if the floor won't hold that (split over four points as well) the architect needs to get back to the drawing board.

I don't think he even mentioned anything about the types of guys they were hiring - mentally unstable criminals, trigger-happy, muslim haters, etc. - when these guys were sent back for not being fit for the job (mentally) Erik Prince would send them right back saying "you're costing us money" - or something along those lines.

to the trigger happy bunch -- you're being silly. stop this sketch

Hmmm, it's kind of a push... a bit excessive, but if you look closely at the beginning, the car was pulled over because they didn't have a lisence plate on the back of the car... not that it is a major thing, but they WERE pulled over for more than just going 70 in a 65 zone.

There's also some sort of disagreement in the front seat which is hard to make out, there are two people talking, so it is hard to say if lip is being given or not.

That said, he does seem to be a bit trigger happy. I mean, whenever I'm pulled over, I make a point of being polite as to never give a cop and excuse to flip out (and yet, they do flip out on occasion). So yeah, not a great example of cop over-reacting, but I'll go on the side of ridiculous for the quickness of the draw.

>> ^mrk871:
>> ^zor:
>> ^jerryku:
Re: the Uzi story, automatic Uzis are legal in the US? o_O

Yes, you can get them but you have to pay a $200 tax on the transfer first.


That's a relief then. There's not many people can get hold of $200, and anyone who does have that amount of money is pretty responsible.
Imagine if you just needed to have a small amount of money and you could get hold of a lethal weapon!
There'd be absolute madness. You'd have people killing each other over domestic matters.
You'd have angry teenagers going out and mowing down their classmates. I'm glad that disenfranchised teenagers aren't given that opportunity and probably end up growing up more balanced in the end and look back on those days with a whimsical smile instead of some kind of nightmare scenario where they kill loads of others and then themselves or get shot by the police. I know, you think it's unbelievable that depressed kids would do that kind of thing, but you just wait until they allow everyone to have guns.
I honestly think that's what would happen.
Of course it's a relief that not all cops carry guns too, because if they did you'd probably have people going out committing suicide-by-cop, and trigger happy cops who shoot innocent civilians because of some perceived threat.
It sounds crazy, I know, but I believe that's what would happen in a world where guns are so freely available.
Thank goodness that you must have $200 to get an Uzi. And thankfully there's no crazies who can.


$200 is the tax. The firearm themselves run upwards of $10,000 when available.

>> ^zor:
>> ^jerryku:
Re: the Uzi story, automatic Uzis are legal in the US? o_O

Yes, you can get them but you have to pay a $200 tax on the transfer first.



That's a relief then. There's not many people can get hold of $200, and anyone who does have that amount of money is pretty responsible.

Imagine if you just needed to have a small amount of money and you could get hold of a lethal weapon!

There'd be absolute madness. You'd have people killing each other over domestic matters.
You'd have angry teenagers going out and mowing down their classmates. I'm glad that disenfranchised teenagers aren't given that opportunity and probably end up growing up more balanced in the end and look back on those days with a whimsical smile instead of some kind of nightmare scenario where they kill loads of others and then themselves or get shot by the police. I know, you think it's unbelievable that depressed kids would do that kind of thing, but you just wait until they allow everyone to have guns.
I honestly think that's what would happen.
Of course it's a relief that not all cops carry guns too, because if they did you'd probably have people going out committing suicide-by-cop, and trigger happy cops who shoot innocent civilians because of some perceived threat.
It sounds crazy, I know, but I believe that's what would happen in a world where guns are so freely available.

Thank goodness that you must have $200 to get an Uzi. And thankfully there's no crazies who can.

Turn up the volume. Stand up and shake your ass people! Come on, Ill do it with you!


Why can't we be (together)?
Could you love me, don't hate me
I don't see (why can't we live together)
Maybe we could get it on (maybe we could get it on)
Should be our destiny
There's a cold streak living (inside us)
There's no rainbows... just bullets and bombs
If you want to rise up
We can make this hate stop
Now don't you want to rise up

[Chorus:]
We've been giving hate a chance
(We've got all this love to give, you know)
And the love will be running out for us
Can you feel the dreams of life
We're hoping we can still survive
As the wind carries every dove away

So why do we see (these coulours)
It's only skin deep, don't mean a thing
(So clear underneath this we're all brothers)
Can't you see it's killing us
(Can't you see it's killing us)
Can't you see it's killing me
Trigger happy fantasy
So stand up and be (so strong now)
Freedom is not so far away
If you know you want to rise up
We can make this hate stop
Don't you want to rise up

[Chorus]

The wind carries every dove away
The wind carries every dove away (every dove away)
Dove, dove, dove, dove, dove, dove, dove

Now you've been taking our dignity for too long
I want to save this sanctity that we hold
And who's right and who's wrong
We're not so different anyway
Words are in this song
Can't we stop the fighting?

[Chorus]

Don't give this hate a chance
We've got all this love to give, you know
That this dream's alive, will still survive
Until no more people have to cry
Don't give this hate a chance
We've got all this love to give, you know
That this dream's alive, will still survive
Until no more people have to cry
Don't give this hate a chance
We've got all this love to give, you know
That this dream's alive, will still survive
Until no more people have to cry