>> ^Ornthoron:

I felt a lot of the same as @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Morganth" title="member since March 25th, 2008" class="profilelink">Morganth watching this video. The story is supposedly set 3500 years before the events of the original movies, yet everything looks almost exactly the same. I will admit that I know very little Star Wars lore, but were the culture of the Old Republic really that similar? Among the things that looked almost exactly alike in this video were
-Stormtroopers
-Star Destroyers
-Tie Fighters
-smuggler ships
-door control panels
When I think of the Old Republic I want something old-fashioned and exotic, not the same stuff that I've seen hundreds of times before.


Yep, basically all content is ancesteral to Ep 4/5/6. Same schtick Lucas did with Ep 1, 2 and 3.

The thing that bothers me is that they keep trotting the exact same scenarios out.

-cocky smuggler a carbon copy of Han, check
-standard "enemy can't hit for shit" when a main character is striding in to combat with them
-freighter is 'fastest in sector' and 'looks like junk'
-ppl in the gun turrets ala New Hope
-Asteroid chase ala Empire
-Flying up the belly of a SD ala Jedi
-Flying through superstructure ala New Hope/Jedi

as if it's something new and fresh... The characters in this are infinitely more likeable than Ep 1/2/3 (although the smuggler character just annoys me) but the whole thing is so damn derivative it's like they're going down a checklist of homages they have to hit... I didn't hear a Wilhelm but I'm guesssing there's probably one of those in there somewhere as well.

I'm honestly surprised the hyperdrive didn't conk out and the smuggler started up "It's not my fault!"

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^smooman:
>> ^raverman:
Both Knights of the Old Republic games were such awesome awesome games...
But the last Star Wars Galaxies MMO was horrendously craptastic and buggy.
I'm conflicted.... can this be as good as it looks?

the last star wars mmo (SWG) was awesome for its first two years or so. then sony online entertainment (the developers) decided to remake the game entirely in the middle of it and made it the shitty game it is now. SWTOR is being produced and developed by bioware, their reputation speaks for itself

Actually, If I remember right, SOE bought the rights from the original developers, and after that made the changes. That's why it went in such a decline. They decided things like everybody can be a Jedi, and dumbed them down a bit. On paper it wass a good idea, but in reality one of the coolest things that game had to offer was getting to a certain point and becoming "Force Sensative" allowing your character to become a Jedi. Sure they were a tad OP but that's because they only had one life, and once the jedi was dead, it was dead, so you got really attached to your character.
As for the original question, as long as a game company like SOE doesn't take over, and Bioware stays in charge, I trust them.


nah, soe were the only developers. the differences between the game pre new game enhancement (NGE patch) and post nge were night and day. When swg launched and until the CU patch in 2005 it was the fastest growing mmo on the market. the cu saw a bit a decline but the final nail in the coffin was the nge and the shitstorm surrounding it. you had a unique and versatile profession based system where you could mix and match skills from 32 professions to make your "class". This was changed literally overnight with the nge, wiping the old profession system for a traditional class based system. many professions of the old game were not even represented in the new class system until about a year after the nge, namely the creature handler profession, one of the most fun and rewarding.

further adding to the controversy you had the trials of obi wan expansion that was released just two days prior to the nge, which, after the nge hit, a large portion of the player base demanded a refund on the expansion (which sony gave them eventually).

to sum it up, smedley, the president of soe, basically told the players what they want, despite massive protests that we didnt want any of that shit. today you have the ghost town of a game that swg sadly is.

i started playing shortly after launch and played through about 6 months or so after the nge. it was an amazing and unique game starting out but is garbage now. soe's lesson learned: dont fix what isnt broken


ps: permadeath was three deaths not one and that didnt last very long. after that it was xp loss. and jedi were op (pre nge anyway) primarily because of lore continuity and for the more practical reason: it took almost a year to grind one out in both the hologrind and the village grind (took me about 10 months playing everyday to unlock mine via the village grind)

in retrospect, any mmo that installs an alpha class (jedi for swg) its bound to break the game eventually but really, if you think about it, it only really breaks pvp

>> ^smooman:

>> ^raverman:
Both Knights of the Old Republic games were such awesome awesome games...
But the last Star Wars Galaxies MMO was horrendously craptastic and buggy.
I'm conflicted.... can this be as good as it looks?

the last star wars mmo (SWG) was awesome for its first two years or so. then sony online entertainment (the developers) decided to remake the game entirely in the middle of it and made it the shitty game it is now. SWTOR is being produced and developed by bioware, their reputation speaks for itself


Actually, If I remember right, SOE bought the rights from the original developers, and after that made the changes. That's why it went in such a decline. They decided things like everybody can be a Jedi, and dumbed them down a bit. On paper it wass a good idea, but in reality one of the coolest things that game had to offer was getting to a certain point and becoming "Force Sensative" allowing your character to become a Jedi. Sure they were a tad OP but that's because they only had one life, and once the jedi was dead, it was dead, so you got really attached to your character.

As for the original question, as long as a game company like SOE doesn't take over, and Bioware stays in charge, I trust them.

>> ^raverman:

Both Knights of the Old Republic games were such awesome awesome games...
But the last Star Wars Galaxies MMO was horrendously craptastic and buggy.
I'm conflicted.... can this be as good as it looks?


the last star wars mmo (SWG) was awesome for its first two years or so. then sony online entertainment (the developers) decided to remake the game entirely in the middle of it and made it the shitty game it is now. SWTOR is being produced and developed by bioware, their reputation speaks for itself

I felt a lot of the same as @Morganth watching this video. The story is supposedly set 3500 years before the events of the original movies, yet everything looks almost exactly the same. I will admit that I know very little Star Wars lore, but were the culture of the Old Republic really that similar? Among the things that looked almost exactly alike in this video were

-Stormtroopers
-Star Destroyers
-Tie Fighters
-smuggler ships
-door control panels

When I think of the Old Republic I want something old-fashioned and exotic, not the same stuff that I've seen hundreds of times before.

A Stunningly good looking cinematic. Well written, directed rendered and animated.
Still, the "magic" of Star Wars for me went with Episode I and it's never returned. Played Knights of the old republic but felt there was too much running around doing nothing..

In terms of great gameplay I still reckon Tie Fighter is right up there. Been playing it recently via dropbox and almost any other game that old, it still holds up really well.

"Pre-rendered cinematics ≠ gameplay" Agree 100%

But wish it wasn't true. Then this game would be rather good.

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It isn't just Han Solo that's being ripped off. The whole time I was watching it seemed like they were putting old ideas in new clothes and changing the order around.

Smuggler guy who cares about money, helps the Jedi, and happens to have the fastest ship - Han Solo
The Sith ship that landed in the docking back looked an awful lot like the Millenium Falcon
Man the guns while I get the hyper-drive ready - escaping the Death Star in Episode IV
Tiny bit of Empire while they dodged some asteroids
The Jedi apprentice's master is killed and now she must carry on the fight against the Sith(I, IV, VI)
Flying through the Sith ship looked an awful lot like going into the Death Star in Episode VI

I understand the necessity of continuity in this universe they've created. A lot of its not only necessary, but fun. Still, they need more new ideas. The trooper being a character that gets developed may be the only new one. Also, the Jedi chick left her lightsaber with her master so that's probably a starting point for the game - you get to play as a Jedi, but you don't get a lightsaber for a while.

Still, this video did look freakin' awesome!
>> ^rychan:

What the hell... this was better than 90% of the prequel content. All four protagonists (two jedi's, captain, and stormtrooper) are already more likeable than Anakin and Padme. We got to see a storm trooper actually doing cool stuff. The smuggler was clearly a Han Solo rip off, but still. It's such a great universe, why do you have to run it in to the ground George Lucas.
Unfortunately, the actual gameplay footage I've seen looks pretty pedestrian.

>> ^rychan:

What the hell... this was better than 90% of the prequel content. All four protagonists (two jedi's, captain, and stormtrooper) are already more likeable than Anakin and Padme. We got to see a storm trooper actually doing cool stuff. The smuggler was clearly a Han Solo rip off, but still. It's such a great universe, why do you have to run it in to the ground George Lucas.
Unfortunately, the actual gameplay footage I've seen looks pretty pedestrian.


A guy stabbing me in my eyes is more likeable than Anakin and Padme. Portman is a very good actress, but she can't make Lucas's scripts sound any good.

Both Knights of the Old Republic games were such awesome awesome games...

But the last Star Wars Galaxies MMO was horrendously craptastic and buggy.

I'm conflicted.... can this be as good as it looks?

Statement from a friend, on his Facebook Status: Just saw the opening cinematic for Star Wars: The Old Republic. I need a cigarette.

For any of you who have seen the prequels but haven't played Knights of the Old Republic, you are doing it so very wrong.

Go buy it for $10 on Steam; it's not a trap.

Dragonball almost made me not post it.

Torchlight yes. Diablo, yes. Old Republic & Guild Wars, maybe. Skyrim, yes. Duke, maybe. Dues Ex, maybe (the cinematic is almost enough). H of MM 6. we'll see. Diablo is my highest.

>> ^EMPIRE:

Yeah right... Top 5 most anticipated games of 2011 if you only care about RPG's.
There's such a lack of obvious games it's mind boggling. Where's Portal 2 (i know it already came out, but it came out in 2011), where's LA NOIRE, where's Skyrim, where's Rage, where's Mass Effect 3, where's Duke Nukem Forever (i know... but it still counts), etc...


1. Upcoming games, so no Portal 2.
2. Mass Effect 3 is slated for 2012.
3. Rage and Duke Nukem Forever don't look all that fun to me, but I hope they prove me wrong. Also, Duke Nukem Forever could potentially slip into 2021.
4. Skyrim and L.A. Noire... I totally agree with you on.
5. I have very low expectations for Star Wars: The Old Republic. I wanted it to kick ass, but everything I've seen tells me it ain't gonna happen.
6. Dragonball Z Online??? How the fuck did that get on here?
7. Torchlight was fine, but how anyone could consider a sequel among the top 5 on this list is beyond me.
8. Any finally... NO FUCKING DEUS EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION?!? Madness!

[EDIT] Ohhhh this isn't put out by Game Trailers, it's some doofus' personal list. Fuck that. Here's mine.

1. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
2. L.A. Noire
3. Guild Wars 2
4. Skyrim (reluctantly... looks awesome but the Elder Scrolls series has been a gigantic disappointment for me up to this point, aside from being beautiful environment simulators)
5. This one is tough... but I'm going to give it to Heroes of Might & Magic VI

If you had titled it 'Harry Potter Plays Norwegian Wood for Star Wars: The Old Republic' you wouldn't have had a problem. Fuck, how hard can that be?

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
I don't know why I rely on that dupe-finder before I submit videos. I guess I just suspected a video about a movie called "The Troll Hunter" would be recognized by siftbot as a suspiciously similar video also called "The Troll Hunter". I must be too much of a dreamer.
In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
And it's a dupe. Thanks for making me waste my power points. Asshole.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/The-Troll-Hunter