A 1 mile drag race is just a horsepower competition. Any number of $150K cars (modified turbo Corvettes, Vipers, Supras, etc.) could show up and hand the Veyron its ass in such a race.

I'd be more interested in a road course race.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Grandmas-Reliant-K-Car-Drag-Races-Turbo-Supra#comment-752760

I'm going to offend some people here but I have to.

This guy has it all, pro choice and anti 2nd amendment.

Just because I support the 2nd amendment does not make me a religious conservative. I support the constitution, what does that make me?

And know I wont explain it to you naysayers out there, this guy is just the same as the other guy if not worse. He is "A peace loving decoy ready for retaliation." (-Dirty harry gorillaz).

He says he is pro gun, yet he supports the ban in Chicago, and in the District of Columbia even though they struck it down. Yet it is still illegal to own any automatic or semi auto gun? That's every gun except revolvers and lever actions and pump shot guns. Not to mention the class 3 weapons, that are classified assault. That usually means any weapon with a "bayonet lug", recoil suppressors, or heat plating (commonly seen on shotguns particularly the Spas series.)

http://www.popandsports.com/?p=1118

"Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated:
Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10
Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11
Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12
Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13
Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14
Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15
Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16
Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17
Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18
Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19
Anti-gun

4 James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5 Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6 Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
6 Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7 See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8 John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9 Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10 See supra note 6.
11 About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12 See supra note 5.
13 As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14 On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up-your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti-gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16 On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17 On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18 Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19 See supra note 4. " Quoted from a (I Know absolutely conservative site ).

http://www.gop.com/images/research/062608Research2.pdf (this is a PDF) - its hard to find stuff that isn't blatantly republican.

All i am saying is do a little digging on this. I don't want warmongering republican or a lair democrat for president.

I have know problem with commonsense law, but don't lie about your record. I support background checks and the tests needed to get a CCW.

Get this, in some states all you need is hunters education can get a CCW.

This argument has nothing to do with pro choice or pro life in which case I am indifferent.

The C4 still looks better than the C5 or C6. They handle much better, but they are so ugly that I would rather go buy a Golf instead.
I got me a Supra anyway.

Yeah the 1993.5 - 1998 Toyota Supra MKIV was definitely the real "first" Japanese super car. It's a severely under rated vehicle. edit: The skylines were also very similar performance wise but not sold in the US market obviously.

Yes I own one.

My '97 put down 443 RWHP on a completely stock parts car save for an exhaust system. That translates into around 525HP as manufactures rate things (at the crank normally).

It now has an after market turbo on it and everything else is still stock. It lays down 505 RWHP currently. The stock fuel system is now at it's limits however. Still, not bad considering that it's making right at 600HP at the crank on essentially all stock stuff minus a turbo.

Anyway.. Just saying! Last generation Supras are nothing short of super car fast and on top of everything else... Dead reliable at the same time. I've owned this car for almost 10 years.

I do like the new GTR though. The in car toys are awfully nice and it's a wonderful base platform to start with. However at almost 4000lbs it's in serious need of a diet. The supra tips the scales at 3350 without driver (mine does anyway). Figure every 6 lbs of weight is roughly equal to 1hp needed to keep acceleration the same between two different weight vehicles. So that 480hp GTR at 39xx lbs would be able equal acceleration wise to a 380hp 33xx lb car.

Anyway...blah, I can ramble on about this stuff

I agree on the Supra.

This one might have awesome specs, but, regretfully, its still BUTT-ugly.
Yes I could get emotional in that car too, but as soon as I got out of it I would have to barf every time I looked at it. Looks like a BMW or other sedan ripoff, and why would you do that anyway, they are ugly as shit already.
Im still waiting for a real sportscar to show up again. The Viper is pretty nice right now, but I dont like the lack of reliability. I'm used to Toyotas, sorry.

>> ^JAPR:
over 10 is long

That's what she said.


I'd consider the twin turbo Toyota Supra mark IV a Japanese supercar at least production-wise. The cool thing about the older Toyotas and Nissans are the potential they have for added horsepower. This dude that lived down the road from me a few years back with too much time and money on his hands (yes that's jealousy you detect) built a 1000hp supra. He had a couple others beefed up too.

But that was back when street racing and techno was cool. Now we've gotta conserve gas and listen to Phish.

LOL, this is our local news up here in seattle upvote for that AND the supra

Well, being a proud Sennheiser owner, I wouldn't say it's a fair comparison. He's comparing what are essentially circumaural headphones (his creation) to supra-aural headphones (the Senns.) Of course the ones that cover the entire ear will give a better insulation from noise than ones that don't. The big difference comes from the quality of the audio coming from the headphones. I'd be willing to bet that the Senns sound a LOT better in quality than the inexpensive ones. You do get what you pay for after all . . .

Still, I'll upvote for the MacGyver action.

looks like the supra just spun out of the hole. That or the supra driver is a newb.